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States pass a law, Planned

ocean-kat — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 09:13:28 +0000

In reply to Thanks, Mona, for yet another

States pass a law, Planned Parenthood takes them to court. Occasionally they win, more often they lose. It all comes down to the Supreme Court. They've been willing to call laws that are simply designed to make women jump through hurdles or shut down clinics and are clearly not medically based constitutional. That's one of many reasons that any Nader supporter that ranted about there being no difference between Gore and Bush or Sanders supporter that claims there's no difference between Hillary and a republican is just fucking full of shit.

It's even crazier that

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:37:16 +0000

In reply to I don't understand it either.

It's even crazier that medical abortion is much safer and simpler, but they're required to go by older medical abortion rules that make it more complicated and riskier. Soon we'll need to set up rescue flights to Europe to get RU-486 (with TSA screening passengers to make sure they're not engaging in abortion tourism or other kinds of anti-fetal terrorism)

CVille, all they seem to run

barefooted — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 04:30:46 +0000

In reply to The Murders at Planned Parenthood And The Unbelievable GOP Response

CVille, all they seem to run on is that "all funds are fungible"; meaning that any monies outside of Medicaid reimbursements (grants, etc.) can be used for abortion services - even though it's expressly illegal. And there is no proof it's ever happened. Beyond that? Nada.

Fetal tissue research is not only legal, it's funded each year with millions of federal dollars. The "hmmm" factor is how research is supposed to happen without fetal tissue, especially since aborted fetuses without the defects that are often found through miscarriages are the optimum specimens. If folks want to argue that funding again, fine. But using that as the latest hit against Planned Parenthood - and abortion rights in general - is absurd.

Ramona, you're right. Democrats need to be stronger in their rhetoric against this nonsense, and push the good that comes from fetal tissue research. That's what won the fight the last time.

I don't understand it either.

Ramona — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:38:06 +0000

In reply to Thanks, Mona, for yet another

I don't understand it either. For all these years the fact that Roe V Wade is Federal law seemed to be enough to hold off the Pro-Life devils. Now it looks like each state can, in fact, get around it by making those crazy laws about clinics being connected to hospitals, or women being forced to watch videos or look at ultrasounds before the can receive abortions--I don't know what loophole suddenly gives them that kind of autonomy.

All I know is women are being forced backward and the Republicans are hell-bent on finishing the job while the Dems howl a lot but don't actually join in on the fight. Strange, because they know we can't do it without them. Have to wonder if we have any allies at all anymore.

Thanks, Mona, for yet another

CVille Dem — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:03:25 +0000

In reply to The Murders at Planned Parenthood And The Unbelievable GOP Response

Thanks, Mona, for yet another attempt to bring sanity to this mess. I have asked in a number of places, and no one has even tried to give me an answer to this question:

On what grounds does Congress, or anyone else, for that matter have to "defund" a legitimate health facility other than for actual medical or public health deficiencies?

The fact that Republicans don't like Planned Parenthood simply cannot be the issue: Planned Parenthood provides preventive gynecological care, including Pap Smears, Breast exams, prescriptions and devices for contraception; which are all accepted care that is provided by any clinic, hospital, and doctor's office in any town in the country. The federal funds that go to Planned Parenthood are ONLY for services rendered for these specific medical services are indisputable. Are they saying that all doctors, clinics, or hospitals that provide these services should be denied Medicaid funding because Republicans don't like them?

Or is it because in some Planned Parenthood facilities they provide (legal) abortion services? The fact that abortion is legal in this country doesn't seem to make the cut in the conversation, because Republicans really, really don't like abortion, even if they abandon the previous fetus - now child - once it is born. They are happy to refer to debunked and fraudulent videos to justify their pathologic stances.

So I ask once again -- what are the grounds for defunding a particular Medical Facility that is operating within the law, and providing a necessary service? And how are they getting away with it? Does anyone have an answer? Are the lawyers here able to suss this out? How can they pretend this is a legitimate effort?