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Read the comments section of

barefooted — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 03:43:06 +0000

Read the comments section of 90% of the far right websites and take the temperature. Twitter is a cesspool of racist, anti-Islamic, attacks on the president.

Thanks, but I'd rather wash my hair with lye. Reasonable people not only still exist, but actually outnumber those you reference ... without having to visit their bizarre stratosphere to prove it.

Thanks for commenting! I

Danny Cardwell — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 02:08:00 +0000

In reply to It's not about Obama. While

Thanks for commenting! I admit that not all of the protesters in Oregon are driven by racial animus towards the president, there is, however, a segment of the weekend warrior militia crowd that are driven by their desire to overthrow an illegitimate government headed by a Muslim king. Read the comments section of 90% of the far right websites and take the temperature. Twitter is a cesspool of racist, anti-Islamic, attacks on the president. I actually support this group protesting the mandatory minimum laws, but I don't pretend that a majority of them would take a similar stand if there was a Republican in the Whitehouse. Thanks for taking the time to address this issue.

They don't stand for anything

Flavius — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 21:13:13 +0000

In reply to There is data from the SPLC

They don't stand for anything. They're universal failures who dodge facing that by hating an array of targets. Certainly including all minorities but also a revolving roster of non- minority targets :planned parenthood, members of the country club,college students.You can bet that a couple of years ago that would have included Occupy Wall Street and that today it includes Black Life Matters.

Given their voracious appetite for targets they sometime accidentally hate one that deserves that."Gotta get a winner one day."

By no means are they indifferent to opinion. On the contrary their self esteem requires believing they are being noticed. If there had been no media, no visitors, no notice they'd have left their the Malheur Refuge in two days.

It's a type.. Their ilk would have been among the Hitler's first followers the ones he purged after becoming Chancellor and inheriting an Army to take the place of the SA. .And probably Mussolini's first black shirts, etc.Losers all.

There is data from the SPLC

rmrd0000 — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:35:13 +0000

In reply to I don't know what you expect

There is data from the SPLC that notes an absolute increase when you combine patriot and hate group number following the election of Barack Obama.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2013/year-ha...

Edit to add

It is true that militias grew under Bill Clinton

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/05/its-not-just-o...

There is data from the SPLC

rmrd0000 — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:31:54 +0000

In reply to I don't know what you expect

There is data from the SPLC that notes an absolute increase when you combine patriot and hate group number following the election of Barack Obama.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2013/year-ha...

Thanks Michael.

HSG — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:41:59 +0000

In reply to Nice. Good interview Danny

Thanks Michael.

Thanks BF. Danny was a great

HSG — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:41:22 +0000

In reply to Danny, I especially

Thanks BF. Danny was a great interviewee - one of the best.

I don't know what you expect

ocean-kat — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:55:25 +0000

In reply to I have no reason to doubt you

I don't know what you expect to hear that will convince you of what you already believe. That it's all about Obama. David Neiwert has been writing about the rise of these right wing militias long before Obama was elected president. They've been arming themselves and setting up camps along the border looking for immigrants before Obama. Perhaps you haven't followed the story and think what's happened in Nevada and Oregon is new but it's not. These are the same groups and people that ranchers on the border invited to their land a decade or two ago to "protect" them from the Mexicans. Nowdays they're being invited to the Bundy ranch to "protect" him from the evil government officials.

I have no reason to doubt you

Flavius — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 10:11:49 +0000

In reply to It's not about Obama. While

I have no reason to doubt you are right about ranchers in general and the townspeople in the vicinity. Goes back to " Oklahoma " and "The farmers and the ranchers must be friends". But the intensity of these gun bearing occupiers suggests to me that they're reflecting more than that generic regional grievance.

We'll see in the coming days as these "protestors" begin venting to the media. The old guy on MSNBC last night cradling a shot gun under a blanket was actually quite pathetic. You couldn't help but to wish him well. But only after he put down the gun. For good.

When you step that far outside the range of "normal" behavior , IMHO you cease to be governed by the unspoken social contract inhibiting the usually suppressed hostility to "the other" : those of a different ethnicity.

At the moment, clearly I'm making an unsupported accusation. Let's wait a few days and see what starts crawling out from under the Oregon rocks.If I'm wrong , first , I'll admit it. But next I'll be pleased.

I don't expect to be pleased.

Danny, I especially

barefooted — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 06:04:58 +0000

In reply to My thanks to Danny Cardwell

Danny, I especially appreciated your answer to Hal regarding the necessity for social diversity among races. It was spot-on. He asked a difficult, yet very pertinent, question and you were on top of it without hesitation.

Hal, I admired your ability to question your own opinion by way of questioning another, though in this case is was a bit easy. Nonetheless - well done.