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Hesiod at Kos has already

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:08:14 +0000

In reply to Nothing angers me more than

Hesiod at Kos has already done it. Glad that set the record straight.

Nothing angers me more than

HSG — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:46:52 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all

In the interests of fair play, I am notifying all that I decided to delete my earlier rather childish reply to this post which was made in the heat of anger. Instead, for now, I will merely post this: The cited Vox article is as misleading and ultimately dishonest as the Clintons' claim that Bernie wants to take away CHiP, Medicare, etc. I will post a detailed rebuttal to Klein's attack on Berniecare after I've done it.

The passage and

Peter — Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:23:56 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all

The passage and implementation of Obamacare with the SCOTUS dictate that citizens can be forced to buy private insurance drove the last nail into the coffin and murdered the idea of ever seeing universal healthcare coverage in the US.

Bernie's dragging this corpse back on display reminds me of Weekend at Bernie's crossed with Groundhog Day and it's just as much a fantasy and a fraud as the rest of his progressive nostrums that will cease to exist as soon as the silly season is over.

"If we really think about

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:03:32 +0000

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"If we really think about this, what is it about the Sanders plan that people are attracted?" - it's like the flat tax - ephemeral in its beauty and simplicity, the Holy Grail of wingnuts (especially flat-lined at zero), and just begging for exceptions to start bending it out of shape immediately.

I currently have single payer, and it's fine, but there are certainly costs involved with it, and there are limits to what we can get - *even if we want to pay for certain extras, we can't* - hasn't been a huge issue - only 1 item I can think of - but if I wanted some of that Cadillac love, I might be disappointed. A lot of younger folks get by without insurance - a risk, but not as high as later - but saddling them with that tax burden will likely change some of their life options. Yes, I think everyone assumes it will be rather free or at least painless.

Ideally we could streamline our system and stop paying twice as much as everyone else. In practice, I doubt we'll get there.

It's because he hasn't

tmccarthy0 — Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:14:13 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all

It's because he hasn't developed an expertise on the subject and maybe he really does believe it will be "that simple" to change the system completely. The Krugman article Oxy directed me to this morning really does explain it all.

If we really think about this, what is it about the Sanders plan that people are attracted? I think they really do believe it will be somewhat free to them, and can be achieved just by raising taxes on the wealthy and raising corporate taxes. I wonder about that kind of selfish warped thinking? Healthcare is a shared responsibility, no one gets out of paying for it. Individual taxes will increase and it will be a dramatic increase. I wonder how one does convince the American public to do that. Middle class taxes will rise the most, and if we don't begin to regulate other aspects of the system first, those taxes are going to be incredibly steep. There is absolutely no way it will happen, Republicans will have the upper hand in the tax debate on that one, and the middle class will still be made to feel that they are getting screwed while everyone else is getting some benefit.

We can't start over. That is an insane notion and is an indication that Mr. Sanders and his supporters don't really understand the nature of the large organizations. .

I also find it interesting that Sanders would rather make a statement with his healthcare legislation that he has introduced yet again, than to have actual impact with legislation i.e. regulation of hospital costs, etc. I understand he is introducing his Medicare for all Legislation for the 20th time. That sounds an awful lot like Republicans who continue to re-introduce legislation repealing PPACA, knowing it can never happen. In that he also has recently decided the program cannot be run by their respective states and moved on the a system run by the feds further indicates he does not have a real grasp of what it is going to take to continue our move to get everyone access to healthcare.

Don't be silly - or

barefooted — Mon, 18 Jan 2016 06:58:47 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all

Don't be silly - or disingenuous, Ocean. His campaign has obviously responded to inquiries in a timely manner. That Bernie mumbled that it's "not that detailed" while on stage and appeared uncomfortable about it has nothing to do with anything.