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I thought you'd be flattered

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 15 Feb 2016 03:51:59 +0000

In reply to So one person then and you

I thought you'd be flattered - as goes Hal, so goes the nation.

Actually, I saw Cornel West slitting through the same litany of half-truths, spin and irrelevance as you do (even brought up theGoldwater connection)_ so I'm beginning to think it's endemic to Bernie support.

So one person then and you

HSG — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:03:14 +0000

In reply to Don't know who specifically,

So one person then and you criticize him for being misleading - the irony is extraordinary.

Don't know who specifically,

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:46:53 +0000

In reply to Which backers exactly are

Don't know who specifically, but lines like "Black Lives Matter Feels the Bern; Well BLM has come around to my way of thinking" kinda support that interpretation, no?

Which backers exactly are

HSG — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:34:34 +0000

In reply to So it's a bit funny that

Which backers exactly are pushing this idea?

So it's a bit funny that

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:51:12 +0000

In reply to Here are more facts, Black

So it's a bit funny that neither BLM nor NAACP endorses anyone, but Sanders backers are pushing the idea that (ex-BLM?) Shaun King & ex-NAACP Ben Jealous count somehow as official endorsements?

Here are more facts, Black

rmrd0000 — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:06:13 +0000

In reply to Hal, you are the one who

Here are more facts, Black Lives Matter does not endorse Bernie Sanders. This was made clear on Democracy Now!

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/9/we_endorse_no_one_black_lives

Here is an open letter sent to Bernie Sanders after the BLM interruptions criticizing his failure to address issues of race. Sanders had to be challenged to focus on race

http://mic.com/articles/123847/dear-bernie-sanders-this-is-what-you-need...

I explained Hans Blix Jan

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 06:35:59 +0000

In reply to PP - Regarding allegedly

I explained Hans Blix Jan 2003 and earlier in negotiating with Hussein, vs Bush's actions in March 2003 after the evidence was in showing Colin Powell lied. In August 2002 I thought we were going to war no matter what to "avenge Daddy". In Feb 2003 I thought we'd dodged the bullet through inspections and pressuring Hussein and UN involvement. A sane US leader would have taken the breakthrough as a new day.

Which makes me wonder how Sanders will negotiate with Russia or China or Iran - right now we've negotiated inspections and an end to uranium processing with Iran. While I'm suspicious of US claims, as obviously don't know all the details and I know enough about the Iranian Revolution et al to be too naive. I care about avoiding war and getting on a peaceful path, Arab/Persian Spring.

Sanders has suggested letting Russia and Iran and Saudi Arabia handle things in Syria. Right now there's a week cease fire in Syria and Putin's using it to bomb the rebels. We saw this in Donbas.

Bush's first month in office, China downed one of our spy planes that was off territory, ripped it apart and sent the pieces back in boxes. Now China's building fake islands in theSpratleys to extend its territory hundred of miles into contested sealanes, the busiest in the world.

How's Bernie going to compete against and negotiate with world leaders who are complete bastards? Obama's handling of Crimea/Donbas/Russia exceeded my expectations - it's a messy situation and our reach/leverage is limited. I've no idea how Sanders would handle complex matters like that. We have a complex issue of protection against terrorism vs overreach of snooping/invasion of privacy. But it has to credibly address the security concerns.

Hal, you are the one who

rmrd0000 — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 03:39:43 +0000

In reply to A) Bernie never used a phrase

Hal, you are the one who refuses to face facts Sanders simply has not been a point man on issues of race in the Senate. He sees economics as the coe issue. He believes racism will by diminished with a new economy. Sanders did not focus on race. This is why he was interrupted by Black Lives Matter at Netroots Nation. BLM objected to Sanders failure to address racism.

http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-blew-a-huge-opportunity-...

Here is Sanders' response to Ferguson in a letter to the New York Times

To the Editor:

The New York Times and other media have focused enormous attention on the tragedy in Ferguson, Mo., where an unarmed black youth was shot and killed by a police officer. Unfortunately, there has been very little discussion about the economic and social tragedy that has befallen an entire generation of young black men.

Today, more than 5.5 million young Americans have either dropped out of high school or graduated from high school and have no jobs. Today, while youth unemployment is 20 percent, African-American youth unemployment is 35 percent, and in the St. Louis area, it is even higher than that.

Incredibly, there are estimates that if present trends continue, one of every three black American men born today can expect to go to prison in his lifetime.

If there is anything that we can learn from the Ferguson tragedy, it should be a recognition that we need to address the extraordinary crises facing black youths. That means, among other things, a major jobs program, job training and vastly improved educational opportunities.

BERNARD SANDERS
U.S. Senator from Vermont
Burlington, Vt., Aug. 20, 2014

As BLM noted, Sanders does not address the racism of a legal system in Ferguson that targeted black citizens. As a Democratic socialist, the tool that he puts in his quiver is an attack on economics. He has been forced to address racism to garner African-American votes. His shift is identical to the shift of Hillary Clinton. Hillary paid attention to the racism in Flint long before Sanders. sanders has not been the point man on issues of race.

Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill. John Lewis initially blocked th bill because he felt that it would be detrimental to blacks. When he realized that his obstruction could lead to an even worse bill, he allowed the bill to come to a vote. When the bill came to a vote, John Lewis voted against the bill.I weigh John Lewis' opinion higher than I view the opinion of Killer Mike.

Bernie Sanders voted for the bill.

I provide you with facts and links. you respond with your opinion.

My opinion is that Bernie sanders would get clobbered in the General election. if sanders survives votes in more diverse populations, I will support him. I will contribute to his campaign. I don't feel the Bern, but I will support the democratic candidate over any of the Republicans.

PP - Regarding allegedly

HSG — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 00:56:24 +0000

In reply to Little boy holding breath

PP - Regarding allegedly "equivalent statements", can you find one Clinton made in the 1990s decrying the use of incarceration as a tool of social control and attributing crime rates to environmental factors.

Regarding your insults, don't you recognize they diminish you and weaken your argument?

Regarding your invocation of Hans Blix as an argument in favor of Clinton's vote to authorize the use of force against Iraq:

"The U.N.'s chief weapons inspector has said no evidence was found before the U.S.-led invasion that Iraq had restarted its chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons programs." http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/05/sprj.irq.blix.intl/ (June 5, 2003).

"The work of the inspectors -- who had extraordinary access during their three months in Iraq between November 2002 and March 2003 -- was routinely dismissed by the Bush administration and the intelligence community in the run-up to the war, according to the commission led by former senator Charles S. Robb (D-Va.) and retired appellate court judge Laurence H. Silberman." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21854-2005Apr2.html (April 3, 2005)

"The UN's former chief weapons inspector Hans Blix has said it is his "firm view" that the Iraq war was illegal." http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-10770239 (July 27, 2010)

Little boy holding breath

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 14 Feb 2016 00:23:08 +0000

In reply to A) Bernie never used a phrase

Little boy holding breath exclaiming I'm right I'm right I'm right, that proves it.. No, you didn't much prove anything except you can parse equivalent statements in favor of your beloved and twist/Ignore Hillary's past. And segue into Iraq yet again - what would you have done on info Hans Blix believed true - ignore it? Put Russia in charge?