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No one knows until the votes

ocean-kat — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:26:14 +0000

No one knows until the votes are cast. But it doesn't matter. In08 PUMA was unable to use fear to blackmail the Obama supporters into switching their votes to Hillary. It quickly fizzled away. If Sanders supporters try with a New And Improved PUMA to convince Hillary supporters to switch their vote with threats of sitting out or voting third party in the general it will fail too.

Perhaps, but Obama and

Donal — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:05:07 +0000

In reply to We heard this same talk in 08

Perhaps, but Obama and Clinton seemed more similar than Sanders and Clinton. Sanders is an avowed reformer while Clinton at her most progressive is an incrementalist.

We heard this same talk in 08

ocean-kat — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 17:49:18 +0000

In reply to I’ve been called a political

We heard this same talk in 08 but in the end the vast majority of Hllary's supporters voted for Obama even though the fight was much more bitter and the anger was much greater. All polling data points to the vast majority of Sanders supporters voting for Hillary. The loudest voices in the room don't necessarily speak for the majority.

every bit of available data tells us that 80% to 85% or more of likely democratic voters plan to vote for Hillary Clinton if she’s the democratic party nominee, and there is not one available statisical data point from any polling outlet which runs counter to this trend.

MMT is a pony, a belief in

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 16:18:18 +0000

In reply to Many of us have wanted this

MMT is a pony, a belief in fairies and unicorns. It ain't real. It ignores historical hyperinflation and runaway economies, and tries to give governments huge excuses for massive unconstrained spending sprees. There is no free lunch, gravity cannot be suspended (though can be lessened by running away from it), and if the world does stop spinning, we be in a heap o' trouble.

A platform of campaign promises built on this snake oil is dangerous. While there is probably a usefulness to heretical views of stodgy old economics, just like say "parallel lines intersect" allowed us to model intersecting longitude lines in topological geography, in the end our assumptions fit within the physics of our theoretical domain once proved.

Here you can look at the intricacies of MMT and decide if indeed you think MMT still holds water. Still, at some point people are going to want their money back, and if they're big enough, you just might have to pay them. Good luck with that. I'm happier with the more traditional universe for now. Until I walk off that cliff, I'll leave their new suppositions re: weightlessness as a theoretical, thanks. And that includes pushing our economy off a cliff.

I do agree that austerity can be overdone, but there's something to be said for not pushing the limits either.

I do wonder why people are worried about trade deficits and sending jobs to China, since MMT basically says trade deficits don't matter, nor does debt - you just print more money, and while you're doing that, you can be giving that money to unemployed local workers who then effectively are paid by Chinese working for them. YAY! All the universe's problems solved! (Except the Chinese's but then maybe they can do the same in reverse, so gravity is suspended and I can have my Kate and Edith too.)

Many of us have wanted this

trkingmomoe — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:57:30 +0000

In reply to I get that your are making a

Many of us have wanted this change for a long time. We know the corporations are not the ones that need to be even near the driver seat of the government economical policy. All they think about is quarterly profits and their bonuses. So it isn't all about Bernie but his offer to correct this. He is the heir to OWS that never really died. This is the next phase of it. It is not going to go away.

We will be facing another major economical down turn again in the near future. Mrs. Clinton will be bringing into the White House the same New Keynesian (neo liberals) economics team that put us were we are now. It is a failed economic theory that allows bubbles and busts every 8 to 10 years. We are in the second gilded age and that is not a good place to be. The robber barons are the financial institutions and the multi national corporations. The Clinton has benefited to the tune of a 100 million dollars from this system and she will protect it during the next big down turn with out changing any of the fundamentals with the help of the Republicans. After all that is what the oligarchy pays them to do.

I’ve been called a political

trkingmomoe — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:55:20 +0000

In reply to Not One Big Happy Party

I’ve been called a political naif for supporting Sanders, and not wanting to accept Clinton as a consolation candidate.

I know Donal. I have been called worse. But you know that too because you have probably read it on our FB feed. That group of likely Democratic voters that don't want to accept Clinton as a consolation candidate is a big group. Many won't be there for the general election to vote for her. It is just the reality of this election. Those who think the party will rally around Clinton a 100% is out of touch with what is going on with main street.

Thanks Sync and Donal.

HSG — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 12:38:25 +0000

In reply to I get that your are making a

Thanks Sync and Donal. Excellent points from both of you.

I get that your are making a

synchronicity — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 00:59:44 +0000

In reply to 'Nothing matters but Bernie'!

I get that your are making a judgement and trying to project it. If you took in what I wrote, you would understand it is Bigger than Bernie but He is the man who has not sold his political power so he is the symbolic and political leader for standing against Oligarchy.

A liberal like LBJ .......who

NCD — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:35:33 +0000

In reply to Well yeah. You have to

A liberal like LBJ .......who bombed the hell out of Vietnam. LBJ good, every Democrat since like a Reagan. See the Donal lnk.

Personally, I don't believe Bernie is the only good Democrat since LBJ as the link purports. He isn't even a Democrat, so how does he get anything through Congress? Bernie isn't La Follette, and it isn't 1912.

Back to the Future III. Where

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:25:01 +0000

In reply to Well yeah. You have to

Back to the Future III. Where are you, McFly?