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Cville Dem, I'm issuing you a

Michael Wolraich — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:34:57 +0000

In reply to Dear Republicans: You Did This. You Fix It.

Cville Dem, I'm issuing you a ToS warning for the "deluded, hateful and blind" comment.

NCD and ocean-kat, no warning, but your comments veered into ad hominem territory. Please focus on the comment, not the commenter.

Hal and others, please be mindful of the post topic. There is no need to escalate every thread into another argument about the Democratic primaries.

Okay. I went back to find

HSG — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 02:51:11 +0000

In reply to I complemented RMRD on an

Okay. I went back to find the specific response in which you claim I derided RMRD or you as irrational if not delusional. Here it is the thread in full except for my quotes from the Nation which were at the end. The bold text reflects quotes from RMRD's post to which I am responding. Perhaps you can identify the sections where I derided anybody.

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"You see the Clintons as the problem. I see the GOP and their front runners as bigger problems[.]"

I interpret this to mean we both see the Clintons as part of the problem and the GOP as bigger problems. If this is what you mean, we agree.

"The Clintons are nowhere near the top of my list of dangers facing the black community. It is telling that they are your focus."

I am focusing on the Clintons now because Hillary is running for President and for the reasons I have set out ad nauseum I believe she would be a much worse President for all Americans than Bernie Sanders. Regarding the Republican candidates, they are all loathsome.

"Given the fact that Sanders has been an ineffective Senator, why should I trust him to be able to do anything."

We obviously disagree on whether Sanders has accomplished anything. I have listed various successes here on several occasions but never very prominently. So here goes again:

Okay. I'm locking this thread

Doctor Cleveland — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 02:50:39 +0000

In reply to Dear Republicans: You Did This. You Fix It.

Okay. I'm locking this thread.

There are plenty of threads to have the anti-Hillary fight in without hijacking this one. And generally speaking: check yourself.

I have never expressed the

HSG — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 02:41:28 +0000

In reply to I complemented RMRD on an

I have never expressed the conviction that "there is exists an irresistible progressive tsunami imminent in the American electorate that will wash the GOP out to sea." What I have said is we have a chance to nominate and perhaps elect a truly superior candidate. I am saddened that it appears we will not do so.

Regarding your claim that I "derided as irrational if not delusional" your comment or RMRD's reply, please cut and paste. I have no recollection of expressing any such derision.

I assume you stand by your claim that I am "deluded, hateful, and blind". I am disappointed that you have chosen not to try to reduce tensions or to take back this personal attack.

How the living hell did this

Doctor Cleveland — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 02:27:13 +0000

In reply to Dear Republicans: You Did This. You Fix It.

How the living hell did this turn into another Bernie-vs-Hillary fight, when the post has NOTHING to do with that?

I spent the day at a research library (and I don't get many days like that, so have to make the most of them), and I came home at the end of a long day to find this thread of needless intraparty vituperation.

Can I not blog on days or weeks when I can't afford to spend a big chunk of my workday moderating comments? Because I can't afford to do that. I used to feel guilty about not posting enough, but now it looks like I can't even post as much as I have been.

I complemented RMRD on an

NCD — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 02:23:51 +0000

In reply to Thanks Mike. My class crack

I complemented RMRD on an excellent reply to you, about why he and many blacks trust and support Hillary, which you derided as irrational if not delusional.

I regretfully mentioned however, that RMRD's statement might make little difference to Hal 'as his feet are planted in an ideological foundation as insubstantial as Sanders record.'

That conviction being that there is exists an irresistible progressive tsunami imminent in the American electorate that will wash the GOP out to sea.

I wish it were so, and appreciate your efforts to educate the public on progressive issues, but as Voltaire said, sometimes 'perfect is the enemy of good'.

I've set out a number of very

HSG — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 02:20:47 +0000

In reply to I think my comment was a very

I've set out a number of very specific examples where I believe Bill Clinton's actions harmed poor, working, and middle-class Americans. You have failed in my view to explain away these instances.

Regarding 2004, I directed communications for Montgomery County, MD, for Kerry which had several thousand volunteers. In the primaries, I remember distinctly Howard Dean imploding. Dennis Kucinich was a non-factor. He got 0 delegates. Yes his hat was in the ring but he had virtually no impact. Are we playing gotcha here or is this about debating ideas?

On another note, at this blog you disputed my claim that single-payer healthcare was essential to help workers in this country by invoking examples from France and Germany. I thought your examples were weak and pointed out why. At no point did I insult your or suggest you are ignorant.

I believe you have also argued repeatedly that Clinton did not violate any regulations when she used a private email server at the State Department. I have demonstrated that she in fact did violate the rule requiring her to maintain her emails at the agency without insulting you.

I think my comment was a very

ocean-kat — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 02:06:53 +0000

In reply to Okay, you two. Let's take it

I think my comment was a very fair observation. 2004 is not ancient history. I don't see how anyone could claim to be paying attention to progressive politics and spend so much time criticizing Bill Clinton as not being progressive enough without knowing Kucinich ran in 04. I also think it's fair to ask if Hal suddenly began caring about liberal politics when Bernie decided to run. I've been watching this show and reading about it long before Elizabeth Warren hit the scene. There's a decades long tradition here that Hal doesn't seem to have followed

Thanks Mike. My class crack

HSG — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 01:14:48 +0000

In reply to Okay, you two. Let's take it

Thanks Mike. My class crack was inappropriate but I'm sick of getting kicked in the nuts by every Clinton supporter. On this blog alone:

NCD wrote: You really have no grasp of reality. You are just as deluded, hateful and blind as the tea party. I hope to hell you don't get what you want: a Bernie nomination, because if you do we are totally screwed.

Then ocean-kat throws out the nasty snark here.

I don't even read PP's obscene screeds any more. Ramona has called me arrogant on another blog.

I try extremely hard to be polite but that does not appear to be the case among those who disagree with me.

I will commit going forward not to make any nasty or personal remarks to anybody here but only if I get the same commitment from those who have used abusive language towards me.

I think the professional

HSG — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 01:04:09 +0000

In reply to Oh, yeah, not sure we're

I think the professional class is concerned about their children's future, the environment, paying for education, retirement, and healthcare. Progressive Democrats address all of these.