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I agree that the North

HSG — Tue, 10 May 2016 16:09:02 +0000

In reply to I gave very pragmatic reasons

I agree that the North Patterson article is a good one. In fact, I was so impressed by it that I posted it approvingly on this site "In the News" earlier today. I have no reason to think there's something white progressives, as opposed to anybody else, don't get about black voters so I reject the premise of your question. I just reviewed the blog where we had the debate over whom Dr. King would have supported and don't see any "very pragmatic reasons" you gave for why Dr. King would have voted for Clinton over Sanders. In any case, the argument is moot as Clinton will be the nominee and King would definitely vote for her over the Republican

I gave very pragmatic reasons

rmrd0000 — Tue, 10 May 2016 15:14:25 +0000

In reply to Dr. King was pragmatic in

I gave very pragmatic reasons why he would have chosen Hillary.

Here is an excellent summary of why Bernie lost. He lacked pragmatism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-north-patterson/why-bernie-lost---...

In your opinion what do some white Progressives not understand about black voters?

Edit to add:

i will modify that to what don't Sanders supporters understand about black voters? Why is Bernie unappealing?

Correct. We are both free to

HSG — Tue, 10 May 2016 15:06:55 +0000

In reply to Then I don't know what your

Correct. We are both free to rely on whatever sources we like and we are both free to question the credibility of the sources on which the other relies.

Dr. King was pragmatic in

HSG — Tue, 10 May 2016 15:05:41 +0000

In reply to Hal, you don't have to go to

Dr. King was pragmatic in terms of strategy and tactics. He was, like Sanders is, aspirational in his rhetoric and goals. His most famous speech was "I have a dream" not "I have a solid serious moderate centrist proposal that is likely to win bipartisan support." I gave very specific fact-based arguments why I believe Sanders would have been Dr. King's choice.

Hal, you don't have to go to

rmrd0000 — Tue, 10 May 2016 13:33:12 +0000

In reply to "If they were supporting

Hal, you don't have to go to those sites because you create your own reality. You determine that Martin Luther King Jr. would have chosen Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton. There is no factual basis for that statement.I gave you a link noting that blacks are pragmatic in political matters. King exemplified pragmatism. Fannie Lou Hamer and the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party came to the Democrtaic National Convention to sit in seats they were justified in taking, they were rejected. The Democratic Party in Mississippi was racist and barred blacks from taking the seats. Martin Luther King Jr. supported MDFP and publicly stated his support. LBJ realized that he needed Southern votes if he hoped to pass the Civil Rights Bill. Seating all the MFDP would lose the votes of numerous Southern Senators. LBJ explained the situation to MLK Jr. A compromise was worked out giving only two seats to the MFDP. MLK Jr. caved and went along with the compromise. The MDFP rejected the compromise and left. The Civil Rights Act passed. The Voting Rights Act passed a year later.

Martin Luther King Jr. threw Fannie Lou Hamer under the bus to get the Civil Rights Act passed.He was not a purist like Sanders. King was pragmatic. King would see Hillary as the winner and he would support her. King worked with LBJ. King would work with Hillary.

http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_missi...

Blacks are pragmatic voters. They see more things being achieved with Hillary rather than with Bernie. Bernie supporters are blind to this fact. Bernie and his supporters will blast Obama and then come to the black community to ask for support. Blacks will not support a candidate who has such a meager knowledge of how to deal with diverse communities. Bernie supporters will put in no effort in learning the feelings of the black community. The Sanders supporters will list their plan without taking time to listen to the black community. They will repeatedly ask why Hillary is the candidate of the black community. Bernie supporters are predictable.

Then I don't know what your

Ramona — Tue, 10 May 2016 12:21:15 +0000

In reply to "If they were supporting

Then I don't know what your gripe is. You're free to read anything you like. So am I. If I chose to read only the tracts that are fair, balanced and scrupulously objective I would spend more time looking for them than reading them.

"If they were supporting

HSG — Tue, 10 May 2016 12:16:53 +0000

In reply to Since I'm working to get

"If they were supporting Bernie Sanders you would have no problem with either of them." You are wrong Ramona. I never cite to unabashedly pro-Sanders sites like USUNCUT. I also avoid reading purely partisan hacks like H.A. Goodman - who may still be arguing Sanders will be our next President for all I know.

Apple's and oranges. I

rmrd0000 — Tue, 10 May 2016 11:54:49 +0000

In reply to I'm pointing out the bias at

Apples and oranges. I attended lectures by both Cornel West and his BFF Tavis Smiley. I never organized a group to protest the speeches or ever attempted to shut down a speech. I never participated on an online campaign of harassment.

The story that the Daily Banter, etc carried was factual.

I don't know how long you

moat — Tue, 10 May 2016 11:12:58 +0000

In reply to I'm pointing out the bias at

I don't know how long you have hung around here, Hal, but rmrd's perspective on West goes back way further than this campaign and probably will continue long after it is over.

I haven't always agreed with his perspective but know that it is formed by a deep involvement with issues beyond electoral politics.

Since I'm working to get

Ramona — Tue, 10 May 2016 10:40:00 +0000

In reply to I guess we'll have to

Since I'm working to get Hillary Clinton elected, too, I find BNR a reliable source for the truth about her. Peter Daou is a feminist who started a group called HillaryMen almost a year ago because he was appalled by the viciousness of the smears against her. When David Brock started Blue Nation Review he joined him, and as far as I know they don't try to hide the fact that they are working hard to help her get elected. The escalating attacks against her have prompted them to set everything else aside to work on this election. They have faith in her abilities and so do I.

Bob Cesca doesn't owe anyone any explanations, either. If they were supporting Bernie Sanders you would have no problem with either of them.