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This is spot on. Some of the

Danny Cardwell — Sun, 22 May 2016 19:30:16 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders Is Getting Old

This is spot on. Some of the tension between the camps is childish at best.

Fortunately, I don't think

Michael Maiello — Sun, 22 May 2016 14:14:59 +0000

Fortunately, I don't think the Sanders movement has murder capabilities, even if some of its members have the intent.

Clinton has been a smart co-opter of some Sanders ideas and though Bernie and many of his supporters do not seem to accept that as victory for a campaign that's been waged to win, it really is a victory and I think that the best Sanders can hope to accomplish at this point is that his better than expected performance really has brought some of his ideas into the mainstream. But it will ultimately be Clinton who will be their most effective champion. Hopefully, Sanders realizes this and preserves his spot in the conversation. He still has useful work to do, for himself and the country, but not like this.

I don't like much of the

Ramona — Sat, 21 May 2016 22:20:40 +0000

In reply to I guess another aspect to

I don't like much of the election process either, but this most crucial election year is not the year to suddenly decide it all has to change, or else. That's suicide. Or murder.

And then what's the

Michael Maiello — Sat, 21 May 2016 17:50:46 +0000

In reply to The goal is to win the

And then what's the bargaining over? $12 vs $15? No Keystone vs no Keystone? No TPP vs maybe a revised TPP? Expand medicare vs single payer? (BTW, uninsured now in single digits). It's all pretty incremental - the "revolution" is just nibbling around the edges.

What's funny is, Bernie already got what he wanted on those issues.

$15? She's fine with that.

Against TPP? She is.

Single payer? Okay, she's not there, but since neither of them can actually provide it, who cares?

I guess another aspect to

Michael Maiello — Sat, 21 May 2016 17:47:33 +0000

In reply to Bernie's biggest mistake is

I guess another aspect to this is don't make threats you can't make good on.

I don't think we should have super delegates, so I have no sympathy for the people in those positions. If a group of people want to tell their Congressman, the super delegate, that their actions at the convention might cost them their house seat, then I am fine with that. But don't bother saying it if you can't pull it off.

By the way, I'd like to see more election consequences for party actions. The party is clearly not controlled by its members and that is a problem. A bigger problem for the Bernie supporters, though, is that a Democratic party actually controlled by its members will not act the way they'd like it to.

Bernie's biggest mistake is

Ramona — Sat, 21 May 2016 16:12:00 +0000

In reply to I believe that Sanders is

Bernie's biggest mistake is that he decided to go it alone and not build a coalition among the Democrats. His attacks on the party enraged many Super Delegates who will not feel ANY allegiance to him. His insistence, bordering on bullying, that they HAVE to vote for him, along with his supporters' threats to keep many of them from winning their own races if they don't vote for Bernie, does not endear him to them. What the hell did he expect?

And she can run for both

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 21 May 2016 06:00:13 +0000

In reply to Tulsi Gabbard 2020 - she

And she can run for both parties.

The goal is to win the

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 21 May 2016 05:59:18 +0000

In reply to I believe that Sanders is

The goal is to win the presidency, not California. She doesnt need a Phyrric victory in California when she'll already have half the delegates no prob via 109 needed over 5 or 6 states, including New Jersey. And she of course has 4/5 the superdelegates, so forget about that. The only question is how much money she has to spend to avoid a Bernie spoiler victory in one state. Theyre certainly not giving the nomination the the guy that got 3 million fewer votes.

And then what's the bargaining over? $12 vs $15? No Keystone vs no Keystone? No TPP vs maybe a revised TPP? Expand medicare vs single payer? (BTW, uninsured now in single digits). It's all pretty incremental - the "revolution" is just nibbling around the edges.

Tulsi Gabbard 2020 - she

arc — Sat, 21 May 2016 00:53:13 +0000

In reply to I spoke about age earlier.

Tulsi Gabbard 2020 - she should be almost 40 by then:)

I believe that Sanders is

LULUDUDE — Fri, 20 May 2016 22:05:47 +0000

In reply to Isnt this like 1 month old,

I believe that Sanders is completely justified and in some respects obligated to stay in until the end. On the superdelegate issue, wrong political actions, even by a favored candidate, should not be seen as acceptable political process just because the weight of the wrong actions cannot, in the end, be shown to be what decided the outcome. In my opinion, and in that of many others, Hillary’s successful campaign to round up the majority of the super delegates as early as she did was wrong of her as a campaign strategy and it was wrong of the delegates to sign on to. Her methods of doing so are also just reason for criticism regardless when in the timeline they were used, IMO, but that whole process is an example of the power of a political “establishment” or maybe what could better be called a political machine. It is not a case where “no harm, no foul” should be invoked. So, making an issue of that is plenty fair so as to possibly change what is allowable in the future.

As I recall, Carter got a lot of well deserved criticism from Democrats for conceding his defeat before California had voted even though his defeat was obvious at the time he did it.

I think that Sanders has a very good chance of winning California. I choose to not see his failure to win the nomination as a failure of his movement but to see his very strong campaign as the possible beginning of a movement. Regardless, the fat lady aint sung yet.