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Isn't 26 acres in the Poconos

NCD — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:50:15 +0000

In reply to No matter what happened

Isn't 26 acres in the Poconos enough for the guy...? He wants Receps palace too? Good points.

One could call it a

NCD — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:46:56 +0000

In reply to Although I'm skeptical of

One could call it a Byzantine conundrum....?

No matter what happened

ocean-kat — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:37:53 +0000

In reply to Agree. BBC and others report

No matter what happened nothing good will come of this. I suppose the least of the possible bad outcomes is that Erdogran will use it to further cement his power and his gradual move to autocratic rule. Nothing I support but I suppose a successful coup would likely have had worse consequences. For all I dislike Erdogran he was elected by the people.

I read an article about a year ago that claimed high ranking members of the military, the police, and the judiciary had Gulen ties and were moving Gulenists into other lower level leadership positions. The claim was that the only way to get a promotion was to have a friend in the Gulenist movement. I tried to find the article but my search skills are pretty low.

Although I'm skeptical of

acanuck — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:25:50 +0000

In reply to See my comment above.

Although I'm skeptical of anything the Turkish govt says right now, it's plausible that the lockdown is aimed at the Turkish aircraft that also operate out of Incirlik. Some pilots (not necessarily from Incirlik) did clearly take part in the coup attempt. I don't see the quid-pro-quo you suggest actually playing out. The U.S. is still (more or less) a nation of laws, and Obama can't let it be blackmailed into turning over someone to be tortured and perhaps killed on trumped-up charges.

Agree. BBC and others report

NCD — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:05:49 +0000

In reply to I question whether Gulen is a

Agree. BBC and others report Turkey has issued threats over 'those protecting' Gulen and have cut electricity to the base the U.S. uses in Turkey. Erdogran has suspended or arrested 2000+ judges he says are Gulenists who he blames for coup. Article at Times of Israel speculates it may have been a false flag coup by Erdogran to cement his power. (Arresting 2000 judges is democracy?)

See my comment above.

NCD — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:03:06 +0000

In reply to Erdogan has begun his

See my comment above. Erdograns #2 said anyone harboring Gulen is an enemy of Turkey, as they have cut power to Incerlik Airbase.

Erdogan has begun his

acanuck — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:53:17 +0000

In reply to Erdogran may now be demanding

Erdogan has begun his crackdown on Gülen's supposed followers without offering a shred of evidence that he was in any way involved. Kerry said the U.S. would examine carefully any extradition request from Turkey, and I think far more proof would be required than Erdogan's assertion that he is a terrorist. Gülen, for his part, has strongly condemned the coup attempt.

I question whether Gulen is a

ocean-kat — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:39:51 +0000

In reply to Fethullah Gülen, what is the

I question whether Gulen is a moderate Islamist. I've read articles over the years describing him as an extremist. It's difficult to follow these stories as there are dozens if not hundreds of these Islamic groups vying for power in the middle east. One would have to spend all their time trying to keep track of them all. And it's difficult to keep track of the bias of the reporters when looking in from the outside. As is usual in the middle east there doesn't seem to be any "good" guys. Only varying degrees of bad actors trying to seize power.

Erdogran may now be demanding

NCD — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:26:48 +0000

In reply to Report Erdogran has fled Turkey

Erdogran may now be demanding a quid pro quo, I let you bomb (US use airbase has been halted post-coup), you hand over Fethullah Gülen.

Secretary of State John Kerry said that he expected the Turkish authorities to pursue inquiries against Fethullah Gulen, the cleric and opposition leader living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania whom President Recep Tayyip Erdogan claimed was behind Friday’s coup attempt.

Fethullah Gülen, what is the

NCD — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:15:55 +0000

In reply to Looks like failed. I dont

Fethullah Gülen, what is the deal with this Turk in Pennsylvania? See UK Independent:

Turkey coup: 2,700 judges removed from duty following failed overthrow attempt

Turkey’s highest judiciary council suspends judges and members of its own board for links to reformist Muslim leader Fethullah Gülen..

Mr Gülen is the founder of the Gülen movement, which teaches a moderate Islam which believes in science, multi-party democracy and interfaith dialogue between the Abrahamic religions

A moderate Islamist who believes in 'interfaith dialog' and is considered a 'terrorist' by Erdogran, perhaps because as an Erdogran ally years ago he exposed corruption by the Caliph Erdogran. 70 million Turks are waiting for the no-visa pass Erdogran is seeking for them to flee the Erdogran Caliphate and have the freedom to roam about the EU.