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Let me add that Akyol (who

acanuck — Sat, 23 Jul 2016 18:56:45 +0000

In reply to Akyol's source for much of

Let me add that Akyol (who has commented on Erdogan's authoritarianism in the past) is Istanbul-based. Under the state of emergency, we are not going to see a lot of honest criticism coming out of Turkey.

So far, based on what I have

A Guy Called LULU — Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:59:02 +0000

In reply to One of the puzzling things

So far, based on what I have seen, the idea that Erdogan was saved by a timely warning from Russia makes sense. It explains how coup's story is one of a failed plot rather than the story of an idiot plot. Whether the U.S. did have the same information and made a calculated choice to not notify Erdogan is interesting speculation. More interesting writing on the subject is here.

There has been a lot happening in the world besides the convention.

Akyol's source for much of

acanuck — Fri, 22 Jul 2016 21:38:32 +0000

In reply to NYT op-ed contributor argues

Akyol's source for much of his insight appears to be his one "disillusioned Gulenist friend." As for actual evidence that Gulen or his movement directed the coup attempt, he offers none. Erdogan hasn't offered any either. But Akyol seems to think the U.S. should "compromise" and extradite the cleric back to Turkey for a fair trial. Not much here, I think.

NYT op-ed contributor argues

Michael Wolraich — Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:39:50 +0000

In reply to Byzantine plot

NYT op-ed contributor argues that the attempted coup was a Gulen plot: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/opinion/who-was-behind-the-coup-attemp...

One of the puzzling things

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:51:27 +0000

In reply to Byzantine plot

One of the puzzling things about the coup attempt was the question of why the plotters didn't grab Erdogan as the first rattle out of the box. Not doing so suggested either very poor planning or possibly a devious plot. If Erdogan had not been loose to call his supporters into the streets it all would have likely gone differently. This essay continues the speculation based on some new reports.

For his credentials, it seems

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:25:02 +0000

In reply to Here's an interesting view of

For his credentials, it seems light. It hardly looked like a fully thought out coup from a wizened disgruntled military. We've seen failed coups with Chavez and Gorbachev, but here they didnt even try to hold Erdogan. Even the supposed leader is asking WTF was that...

Here's an interesting view of

ocean-kat — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:37:32 +0000

In reply to Byzantine plot

Here's an interesting view of the situation from a UK journalist with a Turkish mother and British father who is living in Istanbul.

Yeah. Erdo gives all the

NCD — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:07:43 +0000

In reply to We can all be suspicious but

Yeah. Erdo gives all the appearance of being too paranoid and insecure to ok such a wild scheme. If other actors in Turkey are as egotistical and as much schemers and fools as Erdogran it would explain the coup fiasco.

Erdo is the kind of leader who lurches from crisis to crisis.

At some point somebody smarter than him will tell him Turkey needs American tourists more than the guy in the Poconos, or all those now ecstatic crowds in the streets will be just as eager to support your removal from office.

We can all be suspicious but

ocean-kat — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:35:57 +0000

In reply to I'm suspicious as well. And

We can all be suspicious but so far the only "evidence" I've seen boils down to three points.

Erdogan is the type of leader that would stage a coup to increase his power.

The coup was badly executed and easily thwarted.

Erdogan had a list of enemies ready to use.

All those points are true but it's pretty weak evidence to support the "Reichstag fire" accusation.

Incerlik on internal power.

NCD — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:00:44 +0000

In reply to I'm suspicious as well. And

Incerlik on internal power.

Erdogran himself demands Gulen. 'bilateral US-Turkey relationship at stake'

Kerry:no evidence from Turkey (psychotic megalomaniacs don't need no badges or evidence!!) Gulen involved in coup .

Turkish minister implies US involved in coup. Fox news link

CBS: Bozdag said "the United States would weaken itself by protecting him, it would harm its reputation. I don't think that at this hour, the United States would protect someone who carried out this act against Turkey." In a televised speech, Erdogan called on the United States to extradite Gulen.