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Having worked in Reproductive

CVille Dem — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:30:09 +0000

In reply to Let me walk you through it.

Having worked in Reproductive Medicine/IVF for many years. I can tell you pregnancy tests are positive: i.e.: sperm met egg, and pregnancy tests were positive and eventually, sadly, often fail.

Is that an abortion?

Pregnancies continue, and sometimes fail.

Is that an abortion?

Sometimes the sperm and egg meet and develop in the Fallopian tube. It is a life-threatening situation, requiring either medications to end that pregnancy, or sometimes surgery.

Is that an abortion?

I guess my point is that this is not as simple as your post labels it to be. I once saw an embryos heart-beat in a Fallopian tube while the other embryo (where it was supposed to be) with no heart-beat. At this level of development these are cellular, and we need to be realistic about the difference between these cellular creations and living people.

edited for clarity

You are too cynical. Once

rmrd0000 — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:48:04 +0000

In reply to Really, what is amazing about

You are too cynical. Once Obama voiced his opinion, the NAACP followed suit. Polling indicated a shift away from opposing Gay Rights in the black community. It was a tectonic shift. Conservative black preachers were caught off guard and left behind.

Abortion is stigmatized. That

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:26:40 +0000

In reply to It was Bill Clinton who made

Abortion is stigmatized. That phrase sounds human.

It was Bill Clinton who made

kyle flynn — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:49:35 +0000

In reply to If anyone ever bothered to

It was Bill Clinton who made the phrase famous. I've heard Hillary Clinton say it too, with and without qualifiers. My central point is that that framing has been harmful in that it stigmatizes abortion.

If anyone ever bothered to

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:23:33 +0000

In reply to Depends on what the

If anyone ever bothered to read a full Hillary quote, she said because it's typically a tragic decision. That sense of tragic may change over time, but even with (often withheld) medical abortion it's still often unsettling.

Pretty sure I agree. Entirely

kyle flynn — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:02:33 +0000

In reply to Let's stipulate that

Pretty sure I agree. Entirely.

Let's stipulate that

Flavius — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:44:05 +0000

In reply to Whoa. There are plenty of

Let's stipulate that successful societies tolerate a broad range of individual beliefs. That seems to work.

Not all beliefs, we can think of exceptions. But we make an effort to go pretty far.

To tell someone that she can't be President because she worships a particular God, or none, makes her less than a full member of the society. Less than a full American.

We square this circle imo by saying that each of us can worship our own God pretty much as we see fit provided we impose as little as possible on everyone else.

I haven't avoided that at all

kyle flynn — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 04:58:28 +0000

In reply to "It's none of your damn

I haven't avoided that at all. From up thread to you:

I'm perfectly aware of how complicated this debate gets the further a woman's pregnancy advances. Again, none of our business. Between a woman and her Healthcare providers. Full stop.

"It's none of your damn

ocean-kat — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 04:38:16 +0000

In reply to Okay. We disagree about that.

"It's none of your damn business" might sound good in the moment but would only be a starting point in the discussion. You would then have to defend unrestricted third trimester abortion on demand. That's the discussion you've been avoiding because even you know it's totally indefensible.

Depends on what the

kyle flynn — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 04:31:37 +0000

In reply to I again am not female, but my

Depends on what the definition of is is. Rare because it would be simple to reduce abortions if a, b and c, or rare because, c'mon, it's abhorrent. But you already know this.