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Just to bring this thread

acanuck — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:07:21 +0000

In reply to Democrats dodge their Ted Cruz moment

Just to bring this thread full circle, let me repeat what I said above: the Debbie Wasserman Schultz problem has been known for years, long before Sanders came on the scene. Bernie has pushed the party platform in a more progressive direction, but his most concrete achievement for the Democrats so far may have been precipitating her fall. To quote one DNC staffer, "Good fucking riddance." http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/the-fall-of-debbie-w...

PS - insofar as you're

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:01:31 +0000

In reply to PS Insofar as many of us here

PS - insofar as you're largely sympathetic to the Sanders cause running this blog and the different reactions from different quarters, it might give you insight into how different factions view the DNC including internally. Everyone has a complaint one way or other.

I understand from news

CVille Dem — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:44:06 +0000

In reply to The arc of that first day was

I understand from news commentators today that Bernie will be actively campaigning for Hillary. Good for him.

The arc of that first day was

acanuck — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:33:46 +0000

In reply to Democrats dodge their Ted Cruz moment

The arc of that first day was astonishing. A very tentative start, with early speakers figuratively walking on eggshells before a tension-filled hall with battle lines drawn. By the end, TV commentators were rightly concluding, "A very good day for the Democrats." Bernie did what he had to do: placate his supporters by pointing out how far they'd come, and assuring them the revolution would continue, then pivoting to why Hillary must be the next president of the United States. It was a cool, policy-based endorsement ("Hillary understands ... Hillary will repeal/enact etc.") but it was unequivocal. He is going to be a big asset to the Clinton/Kaine campaign. As are many of the others who spoke: Booker, Warren etc. And of course, Michelle Obama knocked it out of the park with her very warm, humanizing praise for Hillary. So yes, a surprisingly positive first day. Let's hope it gets even better.

I agree with this too. I meet

ocean-kat — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:00:13 +0000

In reply to O-k, I apologize for

I agree with this too. I meet a lot of young people, activists working on border issues. I give them a free pass to the ghost town I caretake to swim in the lake after getting hot, sweaty, and dirty hiking the trails leaving food and water for migrants. Most are Sander supporters. I don't say the same things to them and not as bluntly as I say things here. There's a difference between debating and persuading.

Michael, perhaps I'm just an

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:18:03 +0000

In reply to Hey, hey, hey, don't worry,

Michael, perhaps I'm just an insurgent, yay. Just like BernieBros have no obligation to observe niceties and situational norms, I don't have to soothe their whiny baby feelings even if Hillary may have to kiss ass. Since I don't think you or other dagbloggers will be at the convention booing the people who actually campaigned well and won, I don't think you need to take it personally, and AFAIK the majority of Bernie fans are dealing with loss responsibly and still pushing for positive influence, not just vengeance and chaos. As I said, Hillary has a big tent, but the Klown Kar should stay outside. And yeah, the over-the-top Wikileaks hack, dump and propaganda spin pisses me off too - just anothr version of traipsing through Benghazi emails looking for a soundbite to flog.

""And if you do think their votes matter, why go out of your way to alienate them?"- get real, I've been supportive of moves to let them paricipate in the platform, possible Warren VP, and otherwise have a strong place at the table. Them dropping a turd on the centerpiece and me noting it stinks doesn't count as me going out of my way to alienate them. They're acting like fucktards, and I'll describe them that way. I wasnt that critical of OWS despite them not getting a unified leader or message, as their actions seemed fairly productive. BLM had crap actions despite having a good cause, and it hurt them.

O-k, I apologize for

Michael Wolraich — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 00:27:26 +0000

In reply to I think I just said the same

O-k, I apologize for misunderstanding the point of your comment. Yes, we are largely on the same page, but I do think you left out the middle folks--those who have not yet decided to vote for HRC but are not beyond hope. Those are really the ones who need persuading.

Wel they booed Elijah

tmccarthy0 — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 00:08:44 +0000

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Wel they booed Elijah Cummings today Mike.. WTF? Disrespectful, rude, out of line and embarrassing to Sen. Sanders who doesn't deserve to be represented like that.

The appropriate term is

HSG — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:44:17 +0000

In reply to I think I just said the same

The appropriate term is "Bernie or Busters".

We are in agreement. I have

rmrd0000 — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:44:11 +0000

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We are in agreement. I have talked to Bernie supporters who have converted to Hillary. BernieBros are still in the burn it all down and start over mode.