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A sign of Cillizza's

Ramona — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:55:26 +0000

A sign of Cillizza's cluelessness: He actually thought he won that one and put it out there for everyone to see. The comments were nearly 100% for Ornstein. Loved it! (Thanks for posting it here. I would hate to have missed it.!)

The Atlantic had the same

Michael Wolraich — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:37:20 +0000

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The Atlantic had the same exact reaction:

The Death of 'He Said, She Said' Journalism
The New York Times responds to a candidate who breaks all the rules by discarding some of its own.

Thanks for the link,

Michael Wolraich — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 00:56:00 +0000

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Thanks for the link, barefooted. Good read.

In the world of the internet,

moat — Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:09:19 +0000

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In the world of the internet, that pattern suggests a troll is at work.

Troll for President!!!

He's also using some kind of

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:56:19 +0000

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He's also using some kind of repeat 3 times, with also a secondary pattern like attack someone, say how confusing everything is, then how he can fix it all. Over & over.

Now that is a perfect example

moat — Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:47:02 +0000

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Now that is a perfect example of a conversation that is not exactly a conversation.

Chris really clinched the deal by comparing the discussion to a fight promotion stand off with two women acting as bookshelves clutching their crotch Tecate badges to insure that their loincloths did not slide down their legs.

Distractions aside, Ornstein and Cillizza seem to agree that narratives have a certain inertia once they get underway. Can the press break the "I know you are but what am I" cycle? Can they do it quickly enough?

That is where Trump blows past previous limits. He has a method and he applies it without hesitation. Thinkers are losers.

I read an interesting and

barefooted — Sun, 18 Sep 2016 00:45:26 +0000

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I read an interesting and somewhat illuminating transcript of an email conversation between Chris Cillizza (WaPo) and Norm Ornstein (AEI and Atlantic editor) earlier today in the Washington Post. The two men have very different takes on the responsibilities of - and tactics used by - journalists today; your piece here immediately brought it to mind.

The AP story was also

Michael Maiello — Sun, 18 Sep 2016 00:31:07 +0000

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The AP story was also uncharacteristically frank. This is all a good sign, I think, as we go forward in this election. Trump has gamed the press, in ways I suggested to you in another threat would be forgiven, and if I was wrong about what the press would ultimately stomach, it's to our benefit.

My worry is that Trump seems to know how to lie effectively and the "Hillary started birtherism and I ended it," lie is a good one for people who are not obsessed with this kind of thing.

Still, there is an ethos among journalists that when you've been baldly lied to, all other bets are off. Trump may well have crossed the line. We'll see if this is a blip or a turn of coverage.

That was a good article but

ocean-kat — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:56:31 +0000

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That was a good article but the bias runs deep. I just read this article at the NYT.

From Women, Skepticism About Marriage and a Hunger for Workplace Equality

The latest New York Times/CBS News poll took a reading on the attitudes of American women on a range of topics, from politics to opportunities in the workplace to their overall level of satisfaction in life. We called back a number of them to talk further and also consulted some experts about the challenges facing women today. Here are some of their voices.

Of the nine women's voices they quoted seven expressed no opinion in the presidential election and the two that did harshly critiqued Hillary and stated they would not vote for her. None critiqued Trump or stated they intended to vote for Hillary. This clearly isn't an accurate portrayal of the poll results on the attitudes of American women.