dagblog - Comments for "#BlackTrialsMatter: Ginsburg Goes Full Curmudgeon"

He's not part of the campaign

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:46:14 +0000

He's not part of the campaign - he's part of the public response to abuse of blacks - the killing in Ferguson, the continued hidden abuse in Chicago, Freddie Gray in Baltimore, the riots in Charlotte, so many others...

I think it's helpful to have that problem sitting in peoples' heads as separate from the election. There's nothing GOP vs. Dem about police shooting someone and then calmly meandering around the body for 30-60 minutes without offering first aid or showing any kind of urgency. There's nothing GOP vs. Dem about a cop showing up late on the scene and quickly shooting the black guy without any controlled escalation of force and other means. There's nothing GOP vs. Dem about a cop questioning a black guy who's calmly sitting on his mom's porch locked out but clearly explaining that they've been there forever and the neighbor just over there can vouch for him but instead the policeman keeps questioning and disbelieving him until it ends in the inevitable black guy on his belly smacked in the eye and facing trumped up charges of "resisting arrest".

This will be a problem long after Nov 8, and it involves people pressuring their police at the local level to be much more controlled, intelligent, caring, professional than they're doing now with what's a carte blanche to treat people like shit.

Anything Kaepernick says detracts from the simplicity of his action - kneeling says "I'm not part of this, it needs to change". I don't need to "admire" him, but I appreciate his actions, and I don't think they just speak to "young would-be rebels" - they speak to anyone who's appalled by the repetitive unnecessary abuse and violence, much like the folks who are appalled by the steady stream of mass shootings every couple of months or yet another story about how a 2-year-old or 7-year-old got hold of a gun and killed someone because we're too retarded to limit access to deadly weapons across the board, thinking they somehow ensure "freedom" and "law and order" in a Rambo/Charles Bronson kind of way.

ETA - and yet another one.

All true. He is a rebel.

NCD — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:36:02 +0000

In reply to Whether he thinks Hillary

All true. He is a rebel. Admired by young would be rebels. Most who likely don't vote.

His 'corrupt duopoly' rant would not encourage anyone to vote. If people don't vote nothing changes.

Is there anyone running for political office who proudly touts Kaepernick as a backer?

His anti-anthem stunts (at this point I call it a stunt 'something done to attract attention') would seem to be political kryptonite.

It is divisive, easily portrayed as hating America, and engenders anger in many voters, something most politicians outside of Trump try to avoid.

BLM supporters met with many politicos -Hillary, Bernie and Democrats. And tried with Republicans. They were at and spoke at the DNC, yes?

BLM are working to get people out to vote.

To create change in their communities, improve the communities financing, housing and conditions, legally change police policy, and hold politicians and police accountable for their actions or inaction. That is a course that is rational and just, and one that if sustained will get results. It is not, however, going to happen in one football season or one election.

Whether he thinks Hillary

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 23:56:24 +0000

In reply to You seem to have missed he

Whether he thinks Hillary should be in the clink or not, it's pretty unrelated to his kneeling protest re: abuse of blacks. Yeah, he can be an idiot and still his protest is probably a good idea and somewhat effective. (Frankly it seems clearer than much of the Black Lives Matter actions - ignoring the Hillary piece).

Whether Obama "supports all these objectives", he hasn't seemed to work very hard for them, so we get an outrageous event every month without much obvious reform of police departments. Whether that can be done from the federal level down, at least there can be much more guidance and pressure (we have no problem giving police forces excess military gear, but don't seem very good at influencing what they do with it once they have it).

You seem to have missed he

NCD — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:43:35 +0000

In reply to I think it's "quit fucking

You seem to have missed he also said Hillary should be in prison, linked above. Sitting or standing for the anthem only goes so far, it takes a Party to accomplish progress. I believe Obama supports all these objectives, and he has endorsed Hillary.

I think it's "quit fucking

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:39:46 +0000

In reply to With Colin it is apparently

I think it's "quit fucking maiming and shooting black people dead" - is the message so tough to understand?

Hillary seems to get it, even if football fans and families of "our troops" don't seem to:

Effective policing and constitutional policing go hand in hand. We can—and must—do both by:

Bringing law enforcement and communities together to develop national guidelines on the use of force by police officers, making it clear when deadly force is warranted and when it isn’t and emphasizing proven methods for de-escalating situations.

Acknowledging that implicit bias still exists across society—even in the best police departments—and tackle it together. Hillary will commit $1 billion in her first budget to find and fund the best training programs, support new research, and make this a national policing priority.

Making new investments to support state-of-the-art law enforcement training programs at every level on issues like use of force, de-escalation, community policing and problem solving, alternatives to incarceration, crisis intervention, and officer safety and wellness.

Supporting legislation to end racial profiling by federal, state, and local law enforcement officials.

Strengthening the U.S. Department of Justice’s pattern or practice unit—the unit that monitors civil rights violations—by increasing the department’s resources, working to secure subpoena power, and improving data collection for pattern or practice investigations.

Doubling funding for the U.S. Department of Justice “Collaborative Reform” program. Across the country, there are police departments deploying creative and effective strategies that we can learn from and build on. Hillary will provide assistance and training to agencies that apply these best practices

Providing federal matching funds to make body cameras available to every police department in America.

Promoting oversight and accountability in use of controlled equipment, including by limiting the transfer of military equipment to local law enforcement from the federal government, eliminating the one-year use requirement, and requiring transparency from agencies that purchase equipment using federal funds.

Collecting and reporting national data to inform policing strategies and provide greater transparency and accountability when it comes to crime, officer-involved shootings, and deaths in custody.

Kaepernick's charity raise

rmrd0000 — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:25:52 +0000

In reply to With Colin it is apparently

Kaepernick's charity raise $900K for a children's camp

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Colin-Kaepernick-Continues-Charitabl...

Kaepernick donated the first $1 million of his salary to charity.

http://www.vibe.com/2016/09/colin-kaepernick-to-donate-one-million-dolla...

Kaepernick is donating 100% of his jersey profits to charity.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/07/colin-kaepernick-nfl-49ers-jersey-sales-do...

Kaepernick is making a difference, just like ale Ron James.

The powers that be will ignore both their calls for addressing police abuse.

With Colin it is apparently

NCD — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:43:55 +0000

In reply to Well, the Ferguson and

With Colin it is apparently about everything. What can America do to make Colin stand? Maybe you know? Should anyone care? Is he doing anything concrete to make America better? If he is great, I haven't heard of it.

BLM has been very specific in their message.

Well, the Ferguson and

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:00:23 +0000

In reply to The problem with CK is his

Well, the Ferguson and similar protests elsewhere didn't seem to get the point across, so maybe messing with white people's Sunday sports will keep it front and center. Anyone remember when cutting over to Heidi during overtime pissed off a nation of NFL playoff fans?

The problem with CK is his

NCD — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:39:46 +0000

In reply to Some of this is too bizarre

The problem with CK is his attention getting action just draws attention, discussion, support or criticism to him.

It won't put Hillary in jail where he believes she belongs, or end racism. make better cops.

In that respect he becomes another in the endless pantheon of often uninformed American entertainment or business celebrities whose opinions we frankly should not give a crap about, yet we all talk about and like or don't like, endlessly on and on...

Carlos and Smith in Mexico City in 1968 were protesting South African apartheid and membership in the Olympic Organization, along with other points on poverty and racism.

In 1970 South Africa was expelled from the Olympics organization because of apartheid.

Racism didn't end. But the organization whose patches they wore also said there should be more black coaches. That soon also became a reality.

LeBron works to raise education, sports and personal ambition in Ohio communities. That work is not about him,it creates no controversy, it doesn't get him on the news, and it is not easy work. It takes commitment. It is positively affecting the lives of children and families.

There is an armed wingnut

rmrd0000 — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:31:16 +0000

In reply to Some of this is too bizarre

There is an armed wingnut standing outside one of Clinton's Virginia headquarters. He is very clear that he wants to inspire other wingnuts to intimidate volunteers at other headquarter sites. This is the modern Republican Party. It is also why we don't have the luxury of throwing away a vote on a third party. There has to be a clear rejection of Trump and the GOP.

Trump supporters will say the election was rigged not matter what evidence to the contrary shows. GOP members of Congress will still obstruct anything a Democratic President tries to do. We have to chip away at the wingnuts election by election.

The outrage at Kaepernick's protest and attempts to categorize him as unpatriotic is part of the wingnut modus operandi. In truth the wingnuts are unpatriotic and want a dictator as President. Evangelical wingnuts are not believers in the Bible, but seekers of power.

Both Kaepernick and James are willing to face financial backlash for making political statements.

Forgot to add the link regarding the Virginia wingnut

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/armed-donald-trump-supporters_us_580...