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Of course you're right that

Flavius — Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:45:47 +0000

Of course you're right that for blacks control of the Government is a matter of life or death.

And that in everyday language some of Trump's supporters are " hateful.". And some are not just " hateful" in some qualified sense but in fact are vicious louts whom you are right to hate.

I would in your place. And I'm forced to admit that I do hate them End of story.

But I don't hate the guy - of any ethnicity starting his fifth year of unemployment because of Nafta. Nor the Staten Island woman I heard yesterday on NPR. Had intended to vote for Hillary and then there was "that email thing" that came up two weeks ago so she shifted to Trump.

Groan.

We both pay close attention to politics. Sadly a lot of the country doesn't pay nearly enough . And unthinkingly make that sort of serious mistake. I don't hate them. I hate the effects of those mistakes.

I'd leave Melania out of it.

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 12 Nov 2016 05:19:02 +0000

In reply to We are in agreement. The

I'd leave Melania out of it. Her pics are airbrushed Playboy style from 30 years ago as a tasteful professional model - less than any modern actress would display, and *actors* aren't required to show skin to succeed, only actresses - actors don't have the red carpet fashion suit to show what they're wearing, preferably revealing, etc.. Drop it, please - so many valid things to complain about.

[once we start the shaming here, a whole generation of girls doing selfies are automatically ineligible for public office.... again, something we never care about for guys except a twit like Anthony Weiner]

We are in agreement. The

rmrd0000 — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 22:03:48 +0000

In reply to Flavius, you make the

We are in agreement. The Obamas have class. Trump is a conman. Pence believes in conversion therapy for homosexuals. Melania has nude pics on the internet and will be FLOTUS. HER "project" will be cyber bullying ignoring the fact that the nect POTUS is cyber bully in chief.

Flavius, you make the

ocean-kat — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:47:49 +0000

In reply to Flavius, you make the

Flavius, you make the assumption that we are different than you.

I think you're misunderstanding Flavius. I think he's making the assumption that we are just like him. He specifically named me as someone just like him.

" But you, me and ocean kat all know that , maybe next week, you'll meet a good friend who made what you and I both know was a mistake and voted for deplorable Donald. And you'll still be able to laugh together. "

I'm sure Flavius and I agree on many policy ideas but he doesn't know me. I won't be laughing together with any Trump voter next week or next year. What I will be doing with any Trump voter, friend or not, is letting them know that by their vote they have declared war on everything I value therefore on me. That I now consider them my enemy and that I intend to act accordingly. I won't be nice when I explain it to them.

There are times when the politics and the personal are inseparable. For me, this is one of them.

Flavius, you make the

rmrd0000 — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:21:28 +0000

In reply to Many thoughtful ,even moving

Flavius, you make the assumption that we are different than you. You assume that we want to see harm come to others. What we are saying is that Trump voters cast votes for a racist. Whites in the South tolerated the KKK. There was no reason for me to trust the morals of those Southerners. There is no reason for me to trust that Trump supporters aren't racist. Polling documented higher racial animus among Trump supporters.

I have discussed things like police abuse and Stop and Frisk with people who wound up supporting Trump. The plain fact is that, for the most part, they dismissed my concerns. They were more concerned about the protests after unarmed blacks were killed than they were about the murdered blacks. You want to sugarcoat their behavior.

At the end of the day, my conversations have led me to the same conclusions as you came to about Eric.None of the Trump voters that I know will object to nationalized Stop and Frisk or increased voter suppression. You have no moral authority here because you are completely unaware of the real situation.

Many thoughtful ,even moving

Flavius — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:34:00 +0000

In reply to Hating people sucks

Many thoughtful ,even moving , explanations of why you think you're right to hate Trump. I don't agree but I won't try to win that battle. I expect he'll govern in such a way that I will come to hate him. We'll see.

But I don't hate the 60 million people who made the mistake of thinking he would be less bad than Hillary. Yet.

If they continue to support him when he governs in a way that makes me hate him maybe I'll come to hate them. We'll see.

I think it might have been right to hate the millions of the Germans who supported Hitler . But you'd still have to examine that when you met any individual Nazi.

I did.

In Germany, in the army.

Eric had served a couple of months in 1945 as a 15 year old. Lucky he said to be captured by the Canadians. Had the best food he'd eaten since 1940.

We were both reading Dostoyevsky Talked about that. I met some of his class mates at the local University. Mostly one's who'd escaped from behind the 'Curtain'. He went along with me to buy some fan belts so our gravely underequipped battery could survive the long drive to the vast shooting range in Graffenweor.

I was sent for a course to ,of all places, Dachau. One icy afternoon I spent a couple of hours alone in the primitive museum . I particularly remember a snap shot of wretched prisoners being marched along the Hochstrasse , past Hausfrauen in line at the bakery and bureaucrats carrying their brief cases to the Munich train.

Everybody knew.

And also remember the memo instructing the Camp commander on the economics of his job.Initially new prisoners were to be held in the lager where the food cost a DM per day. And rented to thelocal farmers for two DM.

Thus the group in the being marched along main street.

When they became so weak the farmers wouldn't pay two DM , cut it to 1 DM ,50 pfennig. And move those particular prisoners to the section where the food cost was half of that. Und so weiter. If you get the point. No doubt the commander did.

When I returned from the course it was a glorious day. First warm day at the end of winter.We drove down to Weisbaden. Had coffee and cake in a restaurant looking on the tennis courts where the already tanned young of the Wirtschaftwunder were flirting and playing.

On the way back, without my having said anything, Eric:

" Oh you've been to Dachau".

"Sure"

" I suppose you believed what they tell you there."

" Eric , nobody told me anything.......But I can use my eyes"

Eric

"You don't know what they were like !"

Silence until I let him out in Giessen.

It was right to hate Eric.

Thanks Flavius. I would like

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:33:40 +0000

In reply to Hating people sucks

Thanks Flavius. I would like it if more people thought more like you. I wish they did. I would like it because it would make it easier to make the U.S, and the world a better place to live. That would be a "good" thing. So, that said, I think it is justified to put as a positive "value" the value of rejecting hate. The flip side of that coin is that embracing hate is "bad".

Justifying "hatred" of an entire large class of people is a result. Hate has many antecedents .

Everything's in jeapardy :-(

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:47:43 +0000

In reply to All that I am doing is

Everything's in jeapardy :-(

All that I am doing is

rmrd0000 — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:32:03 +0000

In reply to In a way, nothing much has

All that I am doing is expressing my opinion before Trump shuts down free discussion and easy access to a variety of sites on the internet. Net Neutrality may be in jeopardy.

Just read NYT comments from a

NCD — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:35:43 +0000

In reply to Trump has normalized hate. He

Just read NYT comments from a number of articles on Trump. NYT commenters are smart people by and large. My recollection of some of them:

Owner of a manufacturing firm in Kansas City: have not received an order since Nov. 4th. 'When people are scared they don't spend. They are scared.' If it doesn't pick up by the end of the month he is out of business. Says what Brownback has done to Kansas, Trump will do to America, a disaster.

History shows there is not a long record for democracies where voters believe and wallow in big lies.

Wall Street investment banker. Day after election meeting ended with talk of the 6 figure tax cuts they will get. Ended with one of them 'joking' he wondered what social programs would be cut to pay for them. Followed by laughter from all except the comment writer..

If voters wanted to clean out the swamp and change Washington, why did they re-elect 98% of the people there?

A number of comments noting Trump is already tweet blaming a media conspiracy for anti-Trump protests.

Harry Reid's open letter to Donald Trump:

“I have personally been on the ballot in Nevada for 26 elections and I have never seen anything like the reaction to the election completed last Tuesday. The election of Donald Trump has emboldened the forces of hate and bigotry in America.

    “White nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump’s victory, while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear – especially African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans and Asian Americans. Watching white nationalists celebrate while innocent Americans cry tears of fear does not feel like America.

    “I have heard more stories in the past 48 hours of Americans living in fear of their own government and their fellow Americans than I can remember hearing in five decades in politics. Hispanic Americans who fear their families will be torn apart, African Americans being heckled on the street, Muslim Americans afraid to wear a headscarf, gay and lesbian couples having slurs hurled at them and feeling afraid to walk down the street holding hands. American children waking up in the middle of the night crying, terrified that Trump will take their parents away. Young girls unable to understand why a man who brags about sexually assaulting women has been elected president.

    “I have a large family. I have one daughter and twelve granddaughters. The texts, emails and phone calls I have received from them have been filled with fear – fear for themselves, fear for their Hispanic and African American friends, for their Muslim and Jewish friends, for their LBGT friends, for their Asian friends. I’ve felt their tears and I’ve felt their fear.

    “We as a nation must find a way to move forward without consigning those who Trump has threatened to the shadows. Their fear is entirely rational, because Donald Trump has talked openly about doing terrible things to them. Every news piece that breathlessly obsesses over inauguration preparations compounds their fear by normalizing a man who has threatened to tear families apart, who has bragged about sexually assaulting women and who has directed crowds of thousands to intimidate reporters and assault African Americans. Their fear is legitimate and we must refuse to let it fall through the cracks between the fluff pieces.

    “If this is going to be a time of healing, we must first put the responsibility for healing where it belongs: at the feet of Donald Trump, a sexual predator who lost the popular vote and fueled his campaign with bigotry and hate. Winning the electoral college does not absolve Trump of the grave sins he committed against millions of Americans. Donald Trump may not possess the capacity to assuage those fears, but he owes it to this nation to try.

    “If Trump wants to roll back the tide of hate he unleashed, he has a tremendous amount of work to do and he must begin immediatel