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If the electoral college gave

ocean-kat — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:50:35 +0000

In reply to There's no need to get angry

If the electoral college gave us wins I'd still call for it's repeal. I have values other than just winning. A more fair democracy is one of them. Just as I would not support voter suppression laws by dems that targeted poor republican voters. Also I have long term goals as well as short term goals. Often the long term goals are more important than the short term goals.

Back in 05 the republicans were threatening the nuclear option. I was cheering them on. I hated the filibuster and I was hoping they would end it. It's undemocratic. Any blame would fall on the republicans and in the long term it would benefit the democrats more than the republicans. Even though in the short term it meant Bush could more easily get more of his judicial nominations through the senate. If republicans ended the filibuster for judicial nominees it would make it easier for democrats to take the next step and end it all together when they reclaimed the senate. I was pissed when the Gang of 14 reached a compromise that preserved the filibuster.

Oh yes. I don't know how

CVille Dem — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:28:12 +0000

In reply to Not sure about this, CVille.

Oh yes. I don't know how even SHE made it through. It was lovely. Here is another one that always makes me cry:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-voADFn0aow

Not sure about this, CVille.

Oxy Mora — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:16:29 +0000

In reply to Thanks for actually

Not sure about this questions, CVille.

If anyone wants a catharsis of sorts, and possibly a good cry, watch Kate McKinnon sing Hallelujah on SNL.

Thanks for actually

CVille Dem — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:25:24 +0000

In reply to I would sue Giuliani as well

Thanks for actually commenting on the subject of this blog. You are right about Giuliani; he admitted on tape that he had advance knowledge of what was going on in the FBI.

I still would very much like to know if suing them: Comey, Giuliani, and the Trump team for illegally influencing the election.

Jolly? Anyone?

There's no need to get angry

MrSmith1 — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:40:43 +0000

In reply to We have a system that works

There's no need to get angry with me. I understand your frustration. I voted for Hillary too. I voted for Gore too. I understand why you're angry. I'm angry too that Trump got elected. Very angry and sad. I just think that changing things will not fix anything other than the immediate problem and may create even more problems for us later.

I don't see the electoral college discriminating against Democrats in particular, despite the last two times the losers won the popular votes and lost the election, they were Democrats. Would you still be calling for the elimination of the Electoral College if Hillary Clinton and Al Gore had won? I doubt it. What if eliminating the Electoral College meant Mitt Romney won?

Look, if we do what you suggest, we can't go back later and complain when we lose the popular vote through a bullying of the electorate. Without an electoral college, there would most certainly be a greater coordinated effort to disenfranchise minority voters through trumped-up state laws or local chicanery in all Republican-controlled states.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with you.

Let's just pretend you convinced me and we both agree on everything.

You were right. I was wrong. I'm going back to sleep.

It¨s irrelevant - I don't

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:14:50 +0000

In reply to For me the system isn't good

It¨s irrelevant - I don't see us having a particular advantage, and if it's popular vote, then they'll campaign and focus their efforts on stealing the popular vote instead. I'm sure they can manage.

Top 20 states have 3/4 the population: California, Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, New Jersey, Virginia, Washington, Arizona, Mass, Indiana, Tennessee, Missouri, Maryland, Wisconsin - playing field look familiar? Aside from CA & NY, maybe IL we don't really control the levers to prevent the mass obstruction and gerrymandering and other facets that go on. If they can put their thumb on the scale to steal another 10% of electoral votes, they can put their thumb on the scale to steal another 5-10% popular vote.

For me the system isn't good

ocean-kat — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 07:41:17 +0000

In reply to It's "tastes great" vs. "less

For me the system isn't good enough when two candidates in the last 16 years won the election and didn't get to be president. The first time I buried my anger. Not this time.

We have a system that works

ocean-kat — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 07:29:24 +0000

In reply to First off, we don't live in

We have a system that works when the democratic candidate over performs enough to overcome the inherent bias of the electoral college. The population is now so evenly divided and elections are so close that twice in the last 16 years the loser has become president. I feel like my vote didn't matter. My contribution to the electoral process was nullified by the electoral college. I feel like this election was stolen. I'm not the only one who feels that way. You're telling me I have to let the loser of the election become president so those who voted for the loser will feel allegiance to the country. Fuck that and fuck them.

It's amazing to me that you continue to post nonsense. 6.5 million voters in New York will never decide an election with over 120 million voters. Even if every eligible voter in New York voted it wouldn't decide the election. Even if every single voter in New York voted for the same candidate they couldn't decide the election before California voted. Even the whole population of the east coast is insufficient to decide the election before the midwest and the west coast votes. I can't imagine how you can post such obviously factually wrong statements without being embarrassed.

I can't possibly see how using the popular vote would make the influence of money worse. Right now the lion's share of the money a campaign spends is in a few battle ground states. That money might move to other states but I fail to see how that makes the problem worse.

And by the way, I also want to do something about the fact that 500 thousand people in Wyoming get the same number of senators as 40 million in California. If the people in Wyoming and other low density states get their feelings hurt because they can't dominate our government any more fuck them. If they don't feel allegiance to the US because their vote isn't worth 80 times a vote in California fuck them 80 times over.

It's "tastes great" vs. "less

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 07:22:14 +0000

In reply to Well, if you put it that way

It's "tastes great" vs. "less filling" - there's no absolute. If you change it to absolute vote, we'll focus on New York and Texas and California. Currently we focus on 6 or 8 swing states. Neither is particularly "democratic" or expressing the "will of the people" across the country as a whole. Florida and Ohio and Arizona will get attention either way, but sadly not New Mexico or Montana. To me it's good enough, but open to suggestions that make a difference, and there are more important undemocratic forces at play, such as what's with all the disinformation shaping our votes. Who are all these people being kept from voting?

Well, if you put it that way

MrSmith1 — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 06:57:46 +0000

In reply to Oh God, another electoral

Well, if you put it that way ... There's no point to any of it.

I thought Republicans were the ones who fought for State's Rights, and the Democrats fought for a stronger Federal government ... I guess I picked a bad day to give up reading.