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I've posted on this a couple

ocean-kat — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 07:32:29 +0000

I've posted on this a couple of times. We can hope for a miracle but I don't expect one. The electors are carefully chosen and are party activists who are committed to the party. It's highly unlikely that 38 will change their vote. If they did it wouldn't be over, then the legal cases would begin. Most states require the electors to vote as their states voted. There is some legal analysis that claims those state laws are unconstitutional but legal scholars can only give their opinions. The Supreme Court is where the decisions are made. Four four split? It would certainly be an interesting show if it happened.

Oceankat, one aspect of

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:53:18 +0000

In reply to When democrats use republican

Oceankat, one aspect of electoral vote I han't appreciated earlier is the Electoral College's role as firewall. There's no reason to vote people do this task unless you expect them to do it. We have 1 month to flip. Here's Ani DeFranco. This is the exact kind of scenario to challenge.

Yes, she's been around and it

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:58:43 +0000

In reply to If I may disagree on the

Yes, she's been around and it's been there all along. But she had a 30% unfavorabile rating when she left State in early 2013.

It's not the conservative bad press that bothers me - you can find as nasty or nastier (and unfair/untrue) stuff from Dan Froomkin or Glenn Greenwald or the supposedly gold standard WaPo or NYTimes with its eternally vicious MoDo and the campaign coverage staff.

Bernie didn't get the bad press because they wanted a horse race, a real contest. His big beef was they weren't covering him enough - well wow, in a year when Trump sucked up all the oxygen, he had little money to start, his only real secret sauce at first was some larger pep rallies.

And it bothers me that we elected her opponent in 2008, but we treat her stint at State as having full reign of foreign policy when she couldn't even appoint her own Deputy. She played team player, and to Obama's credit, he came back and campaigned for her much harder than I've ever seen him campaign for anyone besides himelf. Many of Bernie's (former?) followers don't understand the team - they think a party is just where you come and go as you please, no sacrifices, no commitments, no occasional distasteful compromises to get your main goals.

Trump would often reference

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:54:27 +0000

In reply to When democrats use republican

Trump would often reference Bernie, validating his complaints ("rigged") and then using his attacks.

When democrats use republican

ocean-kat — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:46:34 +0000

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When democrats use republican attacks and lies to attack democratic candidates it hurts them more than the original republican attack. The attack is seen as more valid if it comes from another democrat.

If I may disagree on the

librewolf — Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:24:13 +0000

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If I may disagree on the power of Bernie's bad mouthing Hillary...

Digging through my fading memory, throwing shit at Hillary goes back a ways. Certainly back to 92 (and I know they dug up dung from before then in those glorious "White Water" days.) Poor Hillary was out of fashion. They criticized her hair; Her dress was frumpy (none of that improved with time). And they damn well hatred that she was one of those smash mouth lawyers. When she took on children's health care rather than something like beautifying city dumps, things went down hill (no pun intended). The conservatives didn't like no uppity women (and still don't) and they beat that drum until the drum broke.

Then she decided to stay in politics and became a Senator, and shit raineth from heaven as even the soot gods came out.

On the short count she had AT LEAST 24 years of conservative bad press and was likely one of the least liked power women in the country. I had folks saying to me in 2014 (long before Bernie) that they would NEVER vote for Clinton.

All this to say that I would bet the bad press offered by Bernie likely didn't make things much worse than they already were. The conservatives and their ad folks made multiple careers out of bashing Hillary, and bad rep repeated a thousand times over the course of decades creates a bias that even Mr. Clean couldn't fix.

huh.

quinn esq — Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:02:35 +0000

In reply to If We're Starting Over, Bernie Goes Too

huh.

and here was me, kinda LIKING ole bern.

but hell, if i'd 've known he was so powerful and all, i'd have liked hillary instead.

hella likeable, ole hil.

Since it will be obvious from

CVille Dem — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:31:52 +0000

In reply to There's a reason they all say

Since it will be obvious from day one that they have replaced the OCA with one that doesn't provide preventive care such as contraceptives without co-pays, most likely will have life-time caps, and will very likely price those with pre-existing conditions such as high blood pressure, back issues, heart problems, diabetes, etc out of the market; I don't think they will achieve their goal of "appearing" to solve the problems of those without health care coverage.

If those TEABAGGING seniors had to face vouchers they would not be so complaisant. But since the knee-capping of Medicare will only affect those younger than they, its copacetic. They are the most selfish people anywhere in this world.

And speaking of new faces, it

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:59:17 +0000

In reply to If We're Starting Over, Bernie Goes Too

And speaking of new faces, it's about time we threw off the myth of NAFTA since back before time itself - how's Kevin Drum from MotherJones say it?

Trump almost has to do something, considering how central NAFTA was to his campaign. But in the real world, there's not much upside. The OECD estimates that NAFTA had essentially no effect on employment, and the International Trade Commission estimates that it had essentially no effect on wages. So withdrawing wouldn't do any good for all those working-class folks Trump appealed to, but it would cause plenty of upheaval for businesses that are tightly integrated with their Mexican supply chains.

It would be horrid if America's left heard that their boogeyman was toothless, and will all that scorn and repudiation poured Bill & Hillary's way over 25 years, you'd think they'd be apologizing soon, no? Well, don't hold your breath. Bernie the non-Democrat has just been given a cherry Democratic leadership position, and all those canards that Hillary swatted away during the primaries will now become our gospel and official platform. (Fortunately Warren is also ascendant, and her grasp of the key details behind policy is much stronger and grounded in reality).

There's a reason they all say

Obey — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:15:11 +0000

In reply to No one argues against

There's a reason they all say "repeal AND REPLACE" Obamacare. They recognize that they have to at least appear to solve the problem of those without health care coverage.