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As someone who basically

moat — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 23:45:25 +0000

As someone who basically speaks through the medium of running blank lines that combine series of mixed metaphors, I am not in a good position to contradict you.

On the other hand, there is a big difference between using simplicity to break down something complex or drown somebody to see if they are a witch or not. The complexities of the latter form of reasoning are not shared equally with all the parties involved.

Such a truthseer- tell me how

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 07:42:50 +0000

In reply to I see you're still having

Such a truthseer- tell me how Hillary's Parkinsons gonna turn out. When's thqt indictment that Fox News announced gonna come down? Both Bernie and Donald said the election was rigged - when will we find out how? Did you announce Comey would release 2 blockbuster announcements the last week, or did you leave that as a surprise? Will we ever get to see Trump's taxes and if so, will they show how much he owes to Russia and how much of all of this is revenge for sanctions on Moscow over Crimea?

Glad someone has all the answers - I was about to lose it.

BTW - wouldn't bet on that that "anti-establishment" bit too far - 97% of Congress re-elected, 90% of the House - both above average.

https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/reelect.php

Still waiting for that mythical war with Russia I've been promised so many times. Instead of the Big Bad Wolf, seems it's the Big Bad Bear - I'm so curious to see it, to touch it....

Meanwhile, greetings from Aleppo...

I see you're still having

trkingmomoe — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 04:44:43 +0000

In reply to I see you're still having

I see you're still having trouble digesting the new reality where enough voters, including democrats, decided this and other blemishes were not that important but denying the Red Queen with her despicable bloodylust and hubris was

I have been refraining from throwing in my 2 cents, to give time for grief, but I have to agree with Peter. I read hundreds and hundreds of comments on Reddit, Twitter and Facebook where people were trying to figure out who to vote for. The general election was a real crap show and many didn't like either candidate or the role the corporate media was playing in it.

This was all across the board with life long Democrats, Republicans and Independents. The first real breaking point was the saber rattling by Clinton and Russia was behind the hacking and leaks. The thought of a cold war or real war with Russia scared the bejesus out of them, so they began talking about why they would vote for Trump. As more came to that conclusion, the list of reasons grew and was discussed.

They were also going out side of the country for news because the forth estate had failed. They were not morons or stupid, they knew how to google and use the translator. They could see her health was bad. They didn't vote for Trump because they wanted him. They voted to keep the Clintons away from the White House.

They know it is going to be difficult for a while with the Republicans in charge but they know they can change that later and is a better alternative to war with Russia and the TPP. This was a anti corporate and establishment election I don't see the country's mood changing anytime soon.

I told Mike W. on face book last spring that the country was getting ready to roll the dice for change because it was an anti establishment election. So that meant it was going to be either Sanders or Trump. It actually did turn out that way.

The DNC owns this not the voters.

It's something much more and

ocean-kat — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 11:16:21 +0000

In reply to Simple narratives are

It's something much more and much worse than simple narratives. It's false narratives and Trump is the culmination of a few decades of increasingly false narratives. I could make a long list of Trump's lies and the foundation of lies from republicans he built upon but I'll just name one. What was Trump's claim to fame in the political realm? What political movement did he lead before he ran for president? Birtherism. Even after Obama released his long form birth certificate Trump tweeted that it was a forgery. And people believed it.

It's more than economic suffering though I'm sure that's part of it. It's more than racism or sexism though that's there too. It's not just a difference of opinion. At least a significant minority of people believe things that are clearly obviously untrue. I don't know how we compete with that. I don't know how you convince people of anything true if they believe obviously false narratives.

The low information voter can

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:20:38 +0000

In reply to It's something much more and

The low information voter can possibly be divided into the completely deluded/gullible/fuhgettaboutit low info voter, and then low info voters who have some appreciation for reality but have little access to or grip on reputable info and arguments. And some pull in info but still vote their party (or 3rd party) anyway, whatever facts & consideration says. I see the middle group as worth making some attempt for, though it might be nice to try to understand/guesstimate what the numbers are, and how much time is warranted chasing these over more reality-influenced core dedicated voters/party members & ensuring they get to the polls.

Similarly, there are some God awful people (the deplorables), and then there are people who live next to them and get their influence but aren't as inherently dishonest and manipulative. Obviously a James O'Keefe is a scoundrel and not under our remit. Those that might believe him may or may not be, depending how rabid and gullible.

And it's worth understanding better what it is about this untrue info that grabs people and any sensible methods to counteract it. (largely presenting evidence to the contrary doesn't seem to help - why not is one of our key questions to answer, just like why is obvious untruth consistently rising from the dead no matter what, and what gives fake-scandals like Benghazi their staying power)

Simple narratives are

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 04:52:56 +0000

In reply to People vote this way or that

Simple narratives are essential everywhere. Extreme multitasking and complexity don't communicate well and make achieving goals harder. Even complex issues can be summarized well with a bit of effort.

People vote this way or that

moat — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:40:03 +0000

In reply to I see you're still having

People vote this way or that on the basis of what they perceive is in their best interest.
You voted. I voted. We have different interests and understandings about what our choices will bring about.
The process is more about what is happening or not happening between you and me than the video game scenario you described where avatars battle each other in some virtual place.

Simple narratives are for people who cannot absorb the complexity of their own lives.

Trump supporters: those

NCD — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 19:54:29 +0000

In reply to You're a peculiar bird, ain't

Trump supporters: those millions of hateful American bigots and imbeciles which the Right has spent many years and billions of dollars to shape into an electoral battering ram which is now so reliably paranoid, angry and programmable that they can be told what to think, what to buy and who to vote for...

BTW Goldman Sachs jumped 20% and the execs reaped $800 million the week after the defender of the neglected little guy was elected.

Guess who is going to get shafted to once again eventually pay for the deregulation banking bonanza on Wall Street.

You're a peculiar bird, ain't

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:45:56 +0000

In reply to I see you're still having

You're a peculiar bird, ain't ya?

I see you're still having

Peter — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:23:34 +0000

In reply to I fear that you have

I see you're still having trouble digesting the new reality where enough voters, including democrats, decided this and other blemishes were not that important but denying the Red Queen with her despicable bloodylust and hubris was. The fate of the Red Queen is now in the small but capable hands of the new Hegemon and picking at petty sores won't change that reality. Trump may even find a use for Hillary if the snowflakes become too self destructive or aggressive she could sooth and redirect their inflamed denial to more productive uses.

As we are seeing the crash of a cult of personality as large as this one is a frightening sight with mass mental health implications. I think the true believers could weather this unexpectes storm but well connected activists and pundits are pushing dangerous anti-democratic fantasies and even violence.