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One white acquaintance truly

rmrd0000 — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:51:52 +0000

In reply to Obviously. Here's Hillary's

One white acquaintance truly believes that Trump will drain the swamp in D.C.. He cannot accept that Trump is a con man.

Another acquaintance still believes that Hillary was guilty of "something" in Benghazi despite 8-9 hearings finding no guilt.

These folks are not going to be swayed by anything Democrats say or do. They will still support Trump when he screws up.

Obviously. Here's Hillary's

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:50:51 +0000

In reply to BTW, I actually saw and heard

Obviously. Here's Hillary's famous Open Borders statement:

“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

Here's how the NY Times *EDITORIAL BOARD* published it:

“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future.”

Period. Full stop. Those sons of bitches. And this is the piece where they admonish her for not getting all of her emails and transcripts out there early.

"Journalists and the public could have waded through them, discussed them, written about them - and by now, everyone would long since moved on." Not so fast, oh wise ones - if those journalists can't keep from dicking up a basic quote, then the chances are that we'd continue to discuss them and fret over them, just as the *SINGLE FUCKING QUOTE THE NYTIMES SENIOR MANAGEMENT COULDN'T GET RIGHT IN THEIR SCOLDING OP-ED".

Donald Trump in particular had a field day - "'I’ve been proven right' about Clinton wanting open borders".

We live in a nation of morons and assholes - if only it were easy to tell which.

Here's Politifact trying to get their heads around it, bless their pointed little noggins:

The leaked excerpt does contain the words "open borders," but that alone doesn't make Trump's claim correct. Experts suggested Clinton could have been talking about free travel or open trade, or immigration policy. It's just not clear. What's more, Clinton's official immigration position does not contain a proposal for an open border.

"Experts suggested", presumably the same experts that fuck everything up, especially but not exclusively the more partisan kind - ignoring that her quote talks about green & sustainable energy and nothing else specific. Theoretically she could have been talking about free landing bases for Martians as well as handing out hand grenades & Uzis to newcomers, since she didn't exclude it and experts might suggest. I'm sure James O'Keefe and Roger Stone would go there, being "expert" shit disturbers.

BTW, I actually saw and heard

CVille Dem — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:58:21 +0000

In reply to I agree with most of your

BTW, I actually saw and heard Hillary's entire speech about coal country. What she said was a very intelligent and nuanced explanation of the reality of the future of coal. What she proposed was to bring manufacturing of solar and other renewables to the people of the blighted coal areas.

What was she quoted as saying? Something to the effect of, "well, they will have a big surprise, because those jobs are gone and they're not coming back."

...Over and over again, and I never saw any media take the time to see that what they were saying was completely out of context and just plain wrong. If she had refuted it and complained about the out of context quote she would have been ridiculed by Trump and THAT would have gotten covered. What a nightmare!

I agree with most of your

CVille Dem — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:43:00 +0000

In reply to Double standards

I agree with most of your points. The only one I disagree with is that no one cares about the religious makeup of the Supreme Court. I guess only one person does: That would be me.

What has me truly confused and frustrated is that the needs of white rural people (I'm going to call them people rather than voters) certainly include affordable health care, jobs in rebuilding our infrastructure, financial help with college, better funding for teachers in lower schools, peaceful relations with neighbors abroad, and a sane person in the White House. Oh. And benefits that they can count on in old age.

But whom did they vote for? A screaming meemie who called the ACA a "disaster" without any facts, and promising "the best health care" without any clue what he was talking about. His infrastructure plans, (which he likely had no idea about before his team told him what to do) are all about privatizing roads. College, I assume is for those who won the gene lottery (remember the clueless Romney who advised to just borrow the $ from your parents?). That was generous compared to Trump. As to education, charter schools are the answer. Those schools which don't have to accept anyone in particular are the way to go. Children with special needs and learning disabilities will be the only ones left in public schools. With Rudy G as possible SOS, our international neighbors are already atremble.

and how about keeping MEDICARE and Social Security? These are things Joe Sixpack is going to need as he ages out of the work force.

Yet the white voters who went for Trump don't believe us. They distrust the very government that they depend on because they see others that they feel superior to also getting benefits. They prefer platitudes and jingles (the "blame game" -- when people are called to account).

I don't think we have abandoned them. They simply vote against their own interests because we don't appeal to them with the rhetoric that they want to hear. They don't realize, for example, that 8 years of GWBush broke the country, and Obama, without any help from Congres (and with unprecedented opposition from them) tried to put the U.S. back together again. At the end of 8 years, with much evidence of a recovery, they only listen to how much of a loser the U.S. is, so they put someone in office who will break it again.

So basically, I believe you are right. The white people who voted for Trump really, truly believe that the GOP is their friend, and the Democratic (or Democrat Party, as they love to say) is the enemy. My question is, how can we appeal to them, rather than changing what we advocate for? Because we advocate for them already.