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Yes, that's exactly what they

stillidealistic — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 22:30:03 +0000

Yes, that's exactly what they want! Just like they will do if the recounts show that Hillary won, and the presidency is given to her, right?

When homophobes create an

rmrd0000 — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 16:26:09 +0000

In reply to And yet all our strategies

When homophobes create an issue with transgender restrooms, any opposition is identity politics

When a jury fails to convict a police officer who shoots an unarmed man in the back, criticism is playing the race card

Objecting when abortion clinics are threatened is playing the woman card.

The Trump supporters just want us to shut up. The truth this that at this point in time, nothing we say can win them back.

We are gearing up to send troops back to the Middle East. Those who object will be labeled unpatriotic.

And yet all our strategies

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 16:01:47 +0000

In reply to You really can't. I've seen

And yet all our strategies are based around "persuading people to vote our way" or persuading them about the logic and rightness of our views.

It's like the guy who approaches the chained dog smiling a lot and not getting too close so as not to threaten, while the dog sees it as this creature baring its teeth and intentional circling on the edge of its territory.

We see our messaging how we want to see it or how we interpret it, not whether it's actually communicating with the other party. We think of free education as a good thing, but if you're not planning on going to school, you largely see it as someone else's benefit that you're paying for. We think Trump's acting like an unprepared jerk when dealing with Taiwan, but his base can easily convince themselves that he's standing up to China and not bowing down "like Obama did with the head of Saudi Arabia".

Funny, but once upon a time Bill Clinton tweaked some of these "Nixon goes to China" moments by taking on balancing the budget, reforming welfare, doing a big North American trade agreement, taking on exploding crime - and the left still can't forgive him for it. Hillary spearheaded his healthcare effort, and she ran into more problems with the Democrats on the left than with Republicans who she didn't expect to rely on. And they still blame her for not getting healthcare passed as if it was super easy to do.

You really can't. I've seen

stillidealistic — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 14:52:33 +0000

In reply to Yes, it's not just about

You really can't. I've seen studies that show when people are confronted with facts that show their "beliefs" are inaccurate, they just dig in and refuse to accept the facts. The human mind is a crazy thing.

Yes, it's not just about

ocean-kat — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 04:05:07 +0000

In reply to He went even further in

Yes, it's not just about opinions or priorities. Those we could debate with the right. There's at least a significant minority of republicans who believe things that are factually untrue. I don't know how we deal with that or convince them other wise.

He went even further in

stillidealistic — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 02:55:04 +0000

In reply to It comes down to this.

He went even further in saying that people on the left did fact checks and knew almost immediately the stories were fake. People on the right are far more willing to believe whatever fits with their preconceived idea of what is true, and pass it along.

I have let numerous right wing folks know that the stories they were passing along were fake, and although it does happen to the best of us from time to time, it much, much less frequent on the left. For me, if it just sounds too good to be true (even if I WANT to believe it!) I try to remember to check it out before I pass it along.

But, now the donald surrogates are saying that there is no such thing as facts. You just hear stuff and decide if you believe it or not. Makes it nice, because then there are no lies, just repeating stuff that sounded true. WTF?

It comes down to this.

ocean-kat — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 02:00:29 +0000

In reply to Both sides base much of their

It comes down to this.

"During the run-up to the presidential election, fake news really took off. "It was just anybody with a blog can get on there and find a big, huge Facebook group of kind of rabid Trump supporters just waiting to eat up this red meat that they're about to get served," Coler says. "It caused an explosion in the number of sites. I mean, my gosh, the number of just fake accounts on Facebook exploded during the Trump election."

Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait."

I'm not trying to pat myself, and liberals, on the back but it's simply a reality. There's a fringe of crazies on the far right that will eat any lie or conspiracy theory Alex Jones, Limbaugh, or the republicans will feed them. There's nothing like that on the far left.

Both sides base much of their

moat — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 01:40:33 +0000

In reply to It's just insane, PP! There

Both sides base much of their opposition to the other on the perspective that the other side is operating outside of any kind of reality principle. In addition to policies that attract one strong interest or another, our two party system has also created a kind of default dichotomy machine that serves as a GPS of one's location.

From this point of view, the GOP does not have to deliver a product but keep a story going. There are a huge number of people in their big tent who know very little about what is happening while being flattered that they know all they need to know.

The Democratic Party has been assigned the role of the Bad Parent in their story. We forced them to share with the other kids. We keep talking about this "environment" that has to be acknowledged as a very real thing if our species is not going to disappear. These bad adults are crazy self indulgent ideologues who have no grasp on the real world.....

So it goes.

Flavius — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 19:20:18 +0000

In reply to Thanks, Flavius, I'm trying.

"They all stood still by the big stone.....A sudden impulse seemed to come into his soul

and he suddenly said to them:........soon...we shall part. Let us never forget Ilusha and one another. ...if we don’t meet for twenty years….let us always remember how we buried the poor boy at whom we once threw stones, do you remember, by the bridge?

And so in the first place we will remember him, boys, all our lives. And even if we are occupied with most important things,if we attain to honour or fall into great misfortune- still let us remember how good it was once here, when we were all together,united by a good and kind feeling which made us, for the time we were loving that poor boy, better perhaps than we are.

…… perhaps you won’t understand what I am saying to you, because I often speak

unintelligibly ,but you’ll remember it all the same and agree with my words sometimes. …..

…..some good memory ...is perhaps the best education. If a man carries many such memories with him… he is safe to the end of his days,and if one has only one good memory left in one’s heart even that may sometimes be the means of saving us.

Perhaps we may even grow wicked later on , may be unable to refrain from a bad action..But however bad we may become…..the cruellest and most mocking of us - will not dare to laugh inwardly at having been kind and good at this moment!....and he will reflect and say “Yes I was good and brave and honest then! Let him laugh at himself, that’s no matter …...But I assure you that as he laughs he will say at once in his heart “No, I do wrong…..that’s not a thing to laugh at.”

“Karamazov , we love you!” a voice cried impulsively.

“Well now we will finish talking and go to his funeral dinner .Don’t be put out at our eating pancakes- it’s a very old custom and there’s something nice in that” laughed Alyosha.

“Hurrah for Karamazov ! Kolya cried once more rapturously and the boys took up the exclamation:“Hurrah for Karamazov!"

The Brothers Karamazov

~~Flavi~~ Fyodor Dostoyevsky..

Or just keep on keeping on. Fyodor

It's just insane, PP! There

stillidealistic — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 15:53:14 +0000

In reply to Michael Cohen, Boston Globe:

It's just insane, PP! There is just no way the repubs have their best interests at heart, but somehow they keep getting them to vote for them. It's starting to sound like an abusive relationship!