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I posted something about this

CVille Dem — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 04:32:09 +0000

In reply to I don't like it because that

I posted something about this the other day but got little interest:

When conservatives don't like the way things are going they vote.

When progressives/democrats/liberals don't like the way things are going they stay home or vote third party.

I think it is a pretty interesting phenomenon, and it is effing pathetic! Brava to you, Terry! You are doing the right thing!

Yes, this.

tmccarthy0 — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 02:23:58 +0000

In reply to Ah, it's easier just to

Yes, this.

Ah, it's easier just to

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 02:09:04 +0000

In reply to I don't like it because that

Ah, it's easier just to complain when someone donates to *our own party* - blech, ew, too much money in politics.

I don't like it because that

tmccarthy0 — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 23:16:44 +0000

In reply to mostly wrong about everything

I don't like it because that is all you have. Nothing else jolly. Everything sux to the max, nothing is good, everyone is equally bad, (not Bernie) everyone else, everyone else is tainted, no one else can do what he can do, all of Bernie's candidates lost. Bernie Lost.

Let me ask you this, when was the last time you and your progressives buddies got together in-real-life and went to a town hall meeting to push for what your community needed?

That is what the other side does, they try to take over, they have claimed the public sphere and formed their messaging and have convinced an apathetic public to make no efforts it won't matter. They even support their most radical, untested candidates 150%.

So when we lose, while leadership definitely has a large responsibility, but we also have personal responsibility, to quote Flash Gordon, umm they teamed up and took over State and local governments all over America. Democrats have professional politicians, people who do this for a living, Republicans seem to cycle through Republicans, they challenge each other, we tend not to do that. We should do that more often.

Sadly, we keep arguing with each other about who was more wrong, than in making a plan to take over.

Think about this, we don't even have anybody to challenge Trump in four years, don't tell me, Bernie! He is too fucking old. It also needs to be someone who recognized the need to continue to build the party, change the party, support up and coming candidates at all levels, not just try to preserve the few seats we have left.

You still want to talk about how some people were wrong about the candidate, guess what dude, we were wrong about everything and that includes you! If we want to win again, we have to try to take over local government everywhere. If we don't we are screwed.

Would be more impressive and

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:38:27 +0000

In reply to mostly wrong about everything

Would be more impressive and believable if it hadn't been a year when someone *did* try to build the party, gathering support from most incumbents, unions, business groups, women, African Americans, Hispanics, Jews, LGBT, et al with a largely progressive platform expected to go to 50 states, only to have an "insurgency" of non-party independents decide this was the year to destroy the "corrupt" party and start over. For all my criticisms, Obama more than anyone understands no good deed goes unpunished, so splitting the baby at every turn keeps everyone equally unhappy, quelling the revolution.

By not mindlessly bitching

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:42:51 +0000

In reply to Once Obama won in 2008 I

By not mindlessly bitching about everything from the stupid fucking transcripts to the Clinton Foundation to her cackle/cankles to the supposed horror of DNC staff preferring 1 candidate but not doing anything, along with "superpredator" and warmonger and stealing/rigging the vote in California and elsewhere and "voting your vagina and "polls say Bernie would do better", those legions of Trotskyites wouldn't have had to do fuck all, just vote.

Note that Russ Feingold lost Wisconsin worse than Hillary, and he'd gone door-to-door in 70 counties.

mostly wrong about everything

jollyroger — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:19:43 +0000

In reply to "Y'ALL CAN APOLOGIZE FOR

mostly wrong about everything. Obama's failure is also ours

Gee, I thought you had come around to an approximation of my oft expressed (and condemned by you...) criticisms of Obama...was I wrong after all? (I will concede that the Dem party failed along with Obama--do you raise that point to excuse his utterly inadequate performance as party builder?)

Once Obama won in 2008 I

jollyroger — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:16:13 +0000

In reply to Hillary's the bomb. If your

Once Obama won in 2008 I didn't sit around grousing into November.

So let me understand this, the former Obama voters who flipped 200 plus counties by rejecting Hillary would have been persuaded if only my legion of Trotskyites for Bernie had gone door-to-door in Wisconsin et al?

"Y'ALL CAN APOLOGIZE FOR

tmccarthy0 — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:10:07 +0000

In reply to Yes. By way of thought

"Y'ALL CAN APOLOGIZE FOR HILLARY ANY TIME NOW"

NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER. That is the problem with you jolly, and why it is so hard to ever agree with you, you are offensive and mostly wrong about everything. Obama's failure is also ours, liberals, progressives, and non-voters aren't active enough to make our politicians change at all. When are all the folks who voted third party or for that OrangeTerror going to apologize? When the country isn't what you recognize as American anymore? All I see are a bunch of people who voted 3rd party give excuses for why they screwed the country over again? Idiot Bros. I just want to know if it was worth it, oh the Clintons so corrupt, LOLOLOLOL, but at least keeping ACA would have been a given, they wouldn't rip off the treasury, and their charity is a real foundation, it doesn't buy personal gifts for the Clintons. Trump is the most corrupt person on the face of the earth other than Putin, seriously, and a bunch of individuals like you either voted for him or didn't vote. We complain about TBags and yet they get shit done, and we shrink in run away and hide! They call us traitors and treasonous, and we do nothing about it.

FYI: let me put this out there, in case you don't know, My boarding school roommate was Paddy McGahn's daughter. Paddy McGahn was Trump's lawyer way back then, and his nephew is Trump's lawyer now. We haven't seen anyone this corrupt since well we've never seen it, they saw it in the Gilded Age. Hold on tight, because there will be no one to save us, we have to be committed to save us.

Hillary's the bomb. If your

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 14:36:13 +0000

In reply to Yes. By way of thought

Hillary's the bomb. If your support for the party winner hadn't been so half-assed, maybe things would've been better. Once Obama won in 2008 I didn't sit around grousing into November. When do *you* apologize? You said she was too damaged to win and there she took in 3 million votes more than Trump - the same margin she beat Bernie by - 65 million votes in all. Same as Fred, but backwards in heels - still not enough.