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The reason is they'd have to

tmccarthy0 — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:54:22 +0000

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The reason is they'd have to move their asses and plan something out - neither the intelligence nor work ethic to do that.

Heh, yea this.

True and well stated. This is

NCD — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:32:42 +0000

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True and well stated. This is for now and for who knows how long, a right leaning Fox/right wing/Koch/anti-liberal propagandized very divided nation at least as far as those who vote. In an increasingly failed democracy where the popular vote winning Party may hold no political power, and the other Party seeks unlimited power, and one Party rule. Single payer is he best system, but not even on the horizon.

Very hard not to feel that

Peter Schwartz — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:19:18 +0000

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Very hard not to feel that these people actually are "deplorable."

And ER care is the most

NCD — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:18:09 +0000

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And ER care is the most expensive.

On health care McCain always says 'we have to start from scratch'. He's been starting from scratch for almost a normal lifetime.

As TMC notes many on ACA don't know it's Obamacare, they will notice if they lose it. That's the GOP problem.

But Trump could never have been elected President of the United States after promising 'fantastic health care at a fraction of the price' unless he meant it, and had a plan, right? And he's a smart rich businessman,

From Heritage...

Peter Schwartz — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:17:29 +0000

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From Heritage...

The law provides massive incentives to insurers for cooperation. It offers them a steady stream of customers through its requirement that all Americans purchase their products.

But this "requirement" or mandate was devised by Heritage a while back to prevent free riders. I have a copy of one of their old plans where it's clearly laid out.

Thing is, Obamacare was a sitting target. The GOP could attack it even before it became a plan. It was "a thing." What they're trying do, as laid out above, has so many hard-to-understand moving parts that phase in a different times, no regular person will ever be able to figure out what's happening, when or why.

The sneakiest part, as mentioned above, is for the GOP to pretend to try to save it by keeping it on life support until it's plain to everyone that the poor thing died on its own because it was never any good. What can you expect from the government?

And there will be plenty of "progressives" happy to dance on its grave because all it ever was a give away to the health care industry. Once it's destroyed, they say, a new single payer plan will rise from the ashes--except not if Medicare has become a voucher plan, indistinguishable in many respects from...Obamacare!

Way back when....the repubs

Richard Day — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:33:40 +0000

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Way back when....the repubs would attack the new plans of 2009.

They would say:

Hell, the ER will take care of things.

The dems would say:

Yeah, but who the hell pays for the ER visits?

I am reminded of this NY fellow who ran for Governor of Gotham:

You have cancer. I am sorry for your loss. But I do not have cancer. And so your problem has nothing to do with me.

Now this fun fellow is part of the New Cabinet?

Breaking news, Trump demands

NCD — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:56:09 +0000

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Breaking news, Trump demands immediate repeal Obamacare, without any replacement.

He is so smart!

The 3 dimensional chess of

NCD — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:46:20 +0000

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The 3 dimensional chess of Obamacare is it directly ties taxes on the highest 2% incomes to health care subsidies for middle class and low income families, and it reinforces the solvency of Medicare.

The reason is they'd have to

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:35:05 +0000

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The reason is they'd have to move their asses and plan something out - neither the intelligence nor work ethic to do that.

Excuse me, I'm going to go make myself another orange screwdriver.

Good points. Jonathan Chait,

NCD — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:03:40 +0000

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Good points. Jonathan Chait, who understands Republicans well, notes defections in the GOP Senate, and that although 50 senators can kill the ACA taxes on the rich (reconciliation budget measure), it will take 60 to 'replace' the law with a new health care law-requiring 8 Dem votes, the gist of which, of course, most Republicans don't give a crap about, but enough (3 is all that is needed) do care about not wreaking health care havoc that they might stymie the grand GOP plan.

if 50 Senate Republicans are willing to gamble that they can hold the one-seventh of the economy consumed by health care hostage and force a bunch of Democrats to go along. If that gamble fails, the ruin could easily trigger a backlash against the majority party. Apparently not enough Senate Republicans are willing to roll the dice. If this holds, Obamacare, or something substantially similar, is probably going to survive.