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HSG — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:00:30 +0000

In reply to Thanks Hal, much appreciated.

Thanks Hal, much appreciated.

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:01:12 +0000

In reply to I think identity politics

Thanks Hal, much appreciated.

I think identity politics

HSG — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:44:05 +0000

In reply to Hal, I know. It is hard for

I think identity politics have an important place momoe. I don't think we can or should expect African-Americans or women or other groups that have in the past suffered or continue to suffer discrimination to disregard the specific concerns of their community within our broader American community. As progressives, we need to make the point over and over that the interests of the working class - white, black, Asian, Latino, mixed - generally align with the more specific interests of women, people of color, LGBQT. So if you are voting primarily based on your identity as a person of color or a woman (or an environmentalist) or whatever you see as your identity, you will most likely be best served by the candidate who champions reduced economic inequality through higher taxes on the rich, good jobs for working-class people, universal single-payer healthcare, truly affordable education, fair as opposed to "free" trade, etc.

I think a lot of people don't

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:24:31 +0000

In reply to Hmmm, most of my issues aren

I think a lot of people don't see their issues on the ballot,but vote for the person and party they feel are the most likely to do the right thing in a general sense. Some Progressives latch on to the wingnut meme of identity politics to attack other Progressives. If the wingnuts create an insane law to address a nonexistent problem about transgender people using restrooms, do we ignore the attack? If wingnuts try to suppress votes in a way that impacts mostly minority groups do we ignore the assault because it is identity politics? How do we address a group of voters who elect Governors who refuse to accept Obamacare/ACA and destroy unions despite benefiting from healthcare and wages fought for by unions?

Hmmm, most of my issues aren

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 18:38:22 +0000

In reply to If only millennials voted,

Hmmm, most of my issues aren't on the ballot - can't imagine how they'd vote on them. Maybe in a special category called "baggage".

Thanks. Tmac. I don't find

HSG — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:42:37 +0000

In reply to Yeah, I still think you're

Thanks. Tmac. I don't find this comment to be off-topic.

Yep. Exactly.

tmccarthy0 — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:14:05 +0000

In reply to They should have learned that

Yep. Exactly.

If only millennials voted,

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:57:50 +0000

In reply to Hal, I know. It is hard for

If only millennials voted, Hillary would have whooped Trump. Is it not identity politics when white voters vote their issues?

Young voters

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-09/what-this-election-ta...

The identity politics meme

http://theweek.com/speedreads/667002/samantha-bee-asks-why-democrats-are...

Hal, I know. It is hard for

trkingmomoe — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:45:03 +0000

In reply to Spot on, as I implied

Hal, I know. It is hard for people to let go of identity politics. The powers to be keep these gender, ethnic and social issues stirred up to keep us fighting among ourselves. This way we won't notice or focus on them transferring all the wealth to themselves to hoard and how they are starting wars for their economic gains. The younger voters are seeing this.

When 20% of black voters in

rmrd0000 — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:46:27 +0000

In reply to I think white voters see

When 20% of black voters in Ohio voted for GW Bush, there were no acceptable excuses. The direct question was why these voters acted against there own self interest. Soon after Republicans got those votes, they quit their outreach to the black community. The black community corrected an error and voted against the GOP in subsequent elections. Whites voters see Republicans destroying unions, voting against job creation bills, ready to destroy healthcare and they vote for Republicans. They blame Democrats for not addressing their issues. Voting for the GOP makes not sense. Even now people who voted for Trump say that they thought the GOP was just joking when they said that would destroy healthcare. Congress can't wait to gut healthcare. How do we make white voters less gullible?

Even after losing the election, Democrats fought for healthcare benefits for coal miners who in all likelihood voted for Trump. Republicans blocked their efforts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-congress-coal-miners-heath...

Democrats were looking out for the interests of the coal miners.