dagblog - Comments for " Fake news for liberals: misinformation starts to lean left under Trump"

yes, I remember you well as a

artappraiser — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 06:27:58 +0000

In reply to I share your antipathy for

yes, I remember you well as a rare kindred soul, oceankat! And I'm glad I was too busy to have to watch this recent worse round, rather coming in at the pushback stage.

I share your antipathy for

ocean-kat — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 06:14:35 +0000

In reply to Let's go bigger picture.

I share your antipathy for the hero worship of Obama in 08. I was incredulous when I saw people weeping, fainting, and shouting out "I love you" at a politician. Really, weeping over a politician. But very little of that was caused by what I'd consider fake news of the type that's become popular this year. Back then it was spin sometimes malicious spin, but any outright lies just didn't take hold with the majority of democrats. This year it was objectively false totally made up stories with absolutely no connection to reality. Shared and spread on facebook getting a million or multimillion views. With people getting paid for these fabrications, tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. It truly is a new phenomena. Tech companies like google and facebook need to re-evaluate how they disperse advertising dollars or we are in big trouble as a nation.

AA, I truly understand your

rmrd0000 — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 01:33:01 +0000

In reply to People make a decision not to

AA, I truly understand your concern. You have to understand that we have a white supremacist with a white supremacist senior adviser. The so-called President openly lied about the national murder rate in front of a group of sheriffs. He wants to create fear. He is gearing up to use that fear to crush minority communities. Jeff Sessions will be sworn in as his AG. The assault is imminent. I fear for my community. I fear lies being told by Trump and his evil companions. I don't have time to worry about what the Progressive fringe who make statements that have little practical impact. We have to fight the active battle facing us from Trump.

Crime rate data

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/07/513952870/in-meeting-w...

People make a decision not to

rmrd0000 — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 22:30:22 +0000

In reply to I'll just throw out that a

People make a decision not to vote. Many people who do vote are not well informed. Some voters are susceptible to fake news. The path to victory is to find enough well-informed and I'll-informed people who agree with you.

There were plenty of stories about Hillary Clinton's flaws. The media made certain that we were informed of her history. There was less attention paid to Trump's flaws. In fact, he was given free airtime to spread lies. Information created the meme that Hillary was a phony and a crook. Hillary's flaws were exposed. Trump never released his taxes. How do you cope with a system that demanded scrutiny of one side, but not the other?

Perhaps the reason that people become extremely defensive a candidate or politician is that they see information revealed that is negative regarding their preferred candidate, but little information about the opponent.

Your comment reminds me of

artappraiser — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 22:16:56 +0000

In reply to Yeah, I erased a response

Your comment reminds me of how the denialism about Saint JFK (martyr who must be made a peacenik) is pertinent on this whole creative narratives of history front. And how that just synchs into what is still the most fertile ground for conspiracy theorizing of all time.

The kinds of things I think about now: what will history written by millenial generation historians look like? Given that they've mostly been taught to forget about chronology, and work with memes....

Yeah, I erased a response

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:46:51 +0000

In reply to Why do you care what my

Yeah, I erased a response reflecting on how much more complex something like Vietnam was than it seemed or was presented as 50 years ago. Easy to be cool, anti-war and simplistic, or Ramboish and simplistic. To dig into the complexities is another matter.

P.S. One thing I will admit

artappraiser — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:40:29 +0000

In reply to Why do you care what my

P.S. One thing I will admit to strongly believing: Passionate advocacy without a judge like overseer in the mix is a major cause of: war.

Why do you care what my

artappraiser — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:28:13 +0000

In reply to Worked on McCarthy's campaign

Why do you care what my opinion is on such issues? I think when you ask such things of a person you don't know on the internet: you are looking for someone to argue with or you are looking for someone to follow. Your brain needs advocacy for some reason. Mine is just the opposite. The advocacy system of thought, and formal debate as well, depends upon withholding facts that are detrimental to one's case (or spinning them out of shape) and then working it out at the end, or not, just endless effort at persuasion and argument. I'd rather not waste my time on any of that and just get all the information from the getgo, and make my own decision in private, none of your business, you shouldn't care and I don't want to argue about it, you tolerate me and I tolerate you. We share our brains to analyze only. I am not a follower. I think the world is complex. I myself would never join a military force, ever, no matter what the reason, even possible death. But I know other people might under certain conditions and I wouldn't be able to change their mind. Is that good enough?

Worked on McCarthy's campaign

A Guy Called LULU — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:13:42 +0000

In reply to Let's go bigger picture.

Worked on McCarthy's campaign as a teenybopper because: I was anti-war ... ...

And now that you are all grown up you are what, pro-war, indifferent to war, or don't think war is worth thinking about one way or the other? Or even worth avoiding if possible? Just wondering.

I'll just throw out that a

artappraiser — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:07:12 +0000

In reply to Fake news is not the issue

I'll just throw out that a gazillion studies show if everyone eligible in this country were forced to vote over the last three decades, we'd always have moderate left of center government. All the sturm and drang comes from certain energized or non-energized groups at certain times, energized or not energized over stuff that is often not "truth".