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Shutting down this discussion

Michael Wolraich — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:49:53 +0000

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Shutting down this discussion now. It was destined to go off the rails.

Hal, we argued every one of

rmrd0000 — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:48:43 +0000

In reply to RMRD - you write "the person

Hal, we argued every one of these issues in 2016. We went through the minim wage situation in Haiti which is a complicated issue.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/

Obama begun steps to end federal ties with private prisons. Much more needs to be done.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2016/08/27/obama-break-wi...

Hal, sadly we cannot work together. You are going to tell me the mindset of black people who voted for Hillary. I told you that there was zero enthusiasm for Sanders, you counter with a punch at Hillary. You are stuck in a 2016 bubble. I don't have time to spend on 2016. Most Bernie supporters are on board with the majority of Democrats. I don't have time to try to convert Trump supporters or hardcore Bernie supporters. At some point, both groups will tell me how black people should feel about a certain situation, and I will say something I will later regret.

White women worked to make the Women's March diverse. Reverend Barber is working to include whites, ethnic minorities and Gays in a common battle. People are trying to actually listen to each other. Trump supporters and hardcore Sanders supporters tell us how we feel. You probably don't understand what I am saying, and that is a major part of the problem.

I wish you luck in your endeavors. I chose to work with people willing to listen rather than dictate.

RMRD - you write "the person

HSG — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:24:08 +0000

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RMRD - you write "the person who spoke to a diverse Democratic group won the Democratic nomination in 2016 and will do so again in 2020." How diverse was the audience at Goldman Sachs where Hillary spoke three times in private for a total of $675,000? Here's a hint: Top Wall Street executives are less than 3% African-American and less than 40% female. In fact, 64% of the top execs there are white men. http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/wall-street-elusive-dream-...

RMRD - you know that red-lining is a very serious problem for African-American and Latino communities. Why do you think the banks that engage in and profit from this practice showered the candidate "who spoke to a diverse Democratic group" with large donations?

RMRD - you know that private prisons profit from the incarceration of African-Americans and immigrants. Why do you think the banks that finance these Dickensian institutions overwhelmingly supported the candidate "who spoke to a diverse Democratic group?"

RMRD - you know that the population of Haiti is almost entire black. Why do you think the candidate "who spoke to a diverse Democratic group" stymied a minimum wage hike to 61 cents/hour for mostly women garment workers there?

RMRD - you know that payday lending institutions have a destabilizing effect on black and brown communities. Why did the DNC Chair who tried to stop regulations designed to rein in these shylocks support the candidate "who spoke to a diverse Democratic group" and why did that candidate hire said chair as soon as she resigned from her post?

RMRD - I share your fears of Donald Trump's Presidency. He's even worse than advertised. But you cannot separate his election from the abysmal record of the Democratic candidate when it comes to issues affecting the working class. It's true as you incessantly point out that African-Americans did vote for her but they did so because of how terrible Trump is not because of any affection for Clinton and they were not enthusiastic. If you want a better America, join with those of us trying to get corporate influence out of the Democratic party.

There is not going to be an

rmrd0000 — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:59:10 +0000

In reply to Over and over we Bernie

There is not going to be an apology for Bernie losing the Primary election. Bernie could not gain the support of the minority voters he needed to win in the general election even if he won the Primaries. Bernie supporters tell us that blacks did not support Bernie because black people are easily duped. In stead of dealing with this condescension, we get pure arrogance from Bernie supporters.

Trump is now in the White House. Bernie is still a non-entity for black voters. Elizabeth Warren just captured the Progressive torch. She got support from Senator Kampala Harris and Warren's name is known to an important block of black voters. Bernie is a non-issue. Black voters are priming for 2018. Activists like Reverend Barber have moved on since the 2016 election. The black community does not have time to wallow in sorrow over 2016. We are under assault today. Warren's act in the Senate energized people in diverse. The guy who lost the Primary race in 2016 still cannot break out beyond his ethnically limited base. We need people who speak to a diverse group. The person who spoke to a diverse Democratic group won the Democratic nomination in 2016 and will do so again in 2020.

The Democratic nominee got the most votes in 2016. The electoral college failed its duty to keep an autocrat from the White House. In 2018, we need to get a diverse population out to the polls. In 2020, we need a candidate who can energize a diverse group of Democrats. We are under assault now. Reliving the failures of the 2016 candidate who had limited ethnic appeal is of no value.

The national security adviser lied about communications with Russia. The White House knew that he lied and did nothing. We need to push for an independent investigation into the circumstances of this communication. A White House adviser went on the Sunday news shows and said that Trump's wishes cannot be questioned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/13/stephen-miller...

A black community outreach adviser for Trump openly attacked a black White House reporter. The Trump minion said that Trump had dossiers on Black reporters. We are under current assault. Focus!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/journalist-says-omarosa-m...

For those who want to remain frozen in 2016, have at it. I'm done.

Oooooh, scary socialist! Be

HSG — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:40:53 +0000

In reply to There's plenty more where

Oooooh, scary socialist! Be afraid. Be verrrrry afraid.

"Saying foolish things doesn

HSG — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:39:54 +0000

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"Saying foolish things doesn't improve the debate." PP - every time you get the urge to write an article or post a comment, I strongly urge you to read your own comment here and then go back to bed.

I knew you couldn't take my

HSG — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:35:44 +0000

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I knew you couldn't take my advice . . . or anybody's for that matter. But hey I tried. Look PP, your arguments are so so bad and have been for so long. I mean the Democrat raised and spent twice as much as the Republican and lost. She lost because voters rightly viewed her (and Democratic elites) as corrupt because of her close ties to Wall Street and multi-national big businesses.

Your solution - Democrats need to court more multi-millionaires and billionaires. Don't you see how batshit crazy that is? Do you have close ties to very wealthy people? Is it possible that you have completely lost touch with anybody who's not at least upper middle class so you can't empathize with the day-to-day economic struggles of those who aren't extremely fortunate? Is it in your best economic interests to have a President who gives secret speeches to Wall Street financiers and takes advice from oil & gas men like Ken Salazar? I'm just trying to understand how you can consistently take the demonstrably incorrect positions you take.

There's plenty more where

CVille Dem — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:31:12 +0000

In reply to Over and over we Bernie

There's plenty more where this came from:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fT69FG2irAo

PS: It's a video of a young Bernie praising Castro and putting down the US.

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:52:00 +0000

In reply to Over and over we Bernie

One man's "well-crafted" is another man's #FAIL.

Somewhere you learned the bad habit of thinking just because you wrote something you were right.

Over and over we Bernie

HSG — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:44:52 +0000

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Over and over we Bernie supporters told you Clinton backers that he was a better candidate. We pointed out a myriad of facts, we cited to a multitude of polls, we presented well-crafted arguments, we debunked your simplistic formulations. In response, you stuck your fingers in your ears, jumped up and down, and shouted "I can't hear you." Well you specifically wrote "fuck" and "bullshit."

Given the results of the election disproved everything you have claimed, don't you think it's long past time for you to take your the profanity and your "arguments" and point them right at yourself?