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The Template Mount? sorry...

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:34:39 +0000

In reply to Heck, I'd be happy to take

The Template Mount? sorry...

The folks pleading for

rmrd0000 — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:45:29 +0000

In reply to Alt-Right blaming "The Jews".

The folks pleading for "understanding " trump voters fail to realize that these Neo-Nazis are now Trump supporters allies and Putin is their new best friend. Black people understand that people they work with every day voted for Trump. These Trumpkin co-workers will do nothing when blacks are under assault by the Trump administration. It is hard to have a Kumbaya moment when this is the case.

Heck, I'd be happy to take

Bruce Levine — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:28:03 +0000

In reply to Alt-Right blaming "The Jews".

Heck, I'd be happy to take the credit for Flynn's resignation. Where's the template affidavit?

Alt-Right blaming "The Jews".

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:22:45 +0000

In reply to The Trump administration has

Alt-Right blaming "The Jews". But wait, can't they blame The Blacks *AND* The Jews? Unfair!

The Trump administration has

rmrd0000 — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:55:44 +0000

In reply to Flavius, the majority of the

The Trump administration has enough ties to white supremacists that one has to question whether Kellyanne Conway's retweet to a white supremacist was a mistake or intentional.

http://thedailybanter.com/2017/02/kellyanne-conway-nationalist-tweet/

MLK noted that people of good conscience could not vote for Goldwater. The same rule applies to Trump.

Edit to add:

If BlackLivesMatter had voted for Louis Farrakhan, there would not be a push to appease those voters. Those voters would be criticized for supporting an anti-Semite. Concern over what happened to the black race in America would be expressed. Yet we are told to coddle voters who voted for the racist Trump.

I use the above analogy because I think that is the double standard expressed by telling people to treat Trump voter's with kid gloves. Latinos, blacks, and Asians would not get the same courtesy.

Flavius, the majority of the

rmrd0000 — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:00:14 +0000

In reply to No.

Flavius, the majority of the white people who voted for Trump, be they Northerners or Southerners, will not lift a finger when Sessions DOJ nationalizes Stop and Frisk. They will be reassured by the fact that blacks are told to give up their civil rights to make Trump supporters feel comfortable. Trump has the approval of 42% of the country despite evidence that he has been compromised by Russia and is a racist. Trump voters do not care about black people. They openly voted for the racist. The problem to be addressed is not messaging by the Democratic Party the majority of voters voted for Hillary. The problem is the pathology of the Trump voter. Trump voters put my family and friends at risk,

Sorry, Flav, but that

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 08:18:23 +0000

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Sorry, Flav, but that anecdote can be "Southern racist helps black lady", or "young gangbanger let's blind woman walk into bar, steals her purse" or countless others.

Sure, people do nice things, and like Brexit was 52%-48%, a region's deplorability isn't 100% in either direction. But check out Alabama's voting record, for example, and you find it pretty much 65-70% deplorable. Alright, that's a bit simplistic, but life is too short to dig into every goddamn detail and minutia (see Kahnemann's "Fast and Slow Thinking" - we make assumptions, not always valid, but often valid enough).

Hillary was trying to peel off enough people with a conscience against despicable behavior - and largely failed. You're describing an impromput spur-of-the-moment act of kindness (and besides, it's not so surprising that a black lady would be kinder and faster reacting than the rest of us - who else as a group has carried more extra burdens and relied on the kindness of strangers than they?) The elections are acts of premeditated selfishness and often meanness. I would contend that the latter give a better insight into character than the former - everyone can learn a bit of holding-door-open-for-strangers. To be a thorough gentleman or lady requires practice and desire and commitment.

Well said I think. And, I

A Guy Called LULU — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 07:26:14 +0000

In reply to No.

Well said I think. And, I agree.

No.

Flavius — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:20:16 +0000

In reply to BrightBarf Spews -Who will Listen?

No.

The red states aren't filled with monsters. Hmn, I could narrow that generalization to more closely reflect geographical variations .....but let's put that aside.

Soon after I got back to the Emerald City after about 10 years abroad I was on a subway platform as a blind woman- white- passed behind me using her white cane in the normal fashion..I observed her as the saying goes "out of the corner of my eye" when -unusually I think- her cane missed an obstacle and she was about to walk straight into a metal pole. A black woman literally jumped a couple of feet to save her from that while I ,with pretty nearly the same chance to help, didn't.

Despite some claims to the contrary -which I challenge- I'm actually not a monster myself . But to stick to the facts I didn't help and the black woman did. Which left me to reflect that whatever I had been reading in the Guardian, FT or Herald Trib race relations in the States hadn't descended to such a level as to prevent instances of everyday kindness such as I had just witnessed.

And today? The City hasn't changed. You see the same casual helpfulness when it's needed. Say in last weeks snow storm.

And in the out back? If I can judge from the couple of months I spend each year away from the City- and I think I can- and anyway I do- those Trump voters still stop if you're out of gas.

When the first anti discrimination legislation started to emerge from Carter's Government I happened to pass behind the Human Resources guy who was getting ready to explain it to the area VPs. He had written in caps at the top of his speech WE ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE to remind himself to soften the resistance to"government interference" by saying that all Washington wanted us to do was to act the way that good people like us really want to do anyway.

When we write here about the 48% of the country who made the mistake of voting for our current president we should remind ourselves to remember Obama's margin in 2008. Sure an important chunk of that came from blacks who, bless them, voted for Barak in the same numbers that Catholics ,bless them, supported JFK. But along with that perfectly appropriate "identify" voting neither Obama nor Jack could have gotten elected unless they were supported by millions of others voting for them mostly because they felt they were the best candidates but also- face it- in part because they felt "let's give them a chance."

And you know what I'm going to say next so you can skip it. Or hang on if you want and I'll prove you're right. We aren't bad people. And neither are most of Donald's 48% . We're not going to get them to give us the extra 3 senate seats we need in November of 2018 by shouting at them that they're evil (even though some of them are. As another saying goes " a fish rots from the head".)

But even though you may not feel like feeling that the rest of those live fish are not bad people, do it.

First because it's true. But ,putting the turkey on the table, because we can't get that extra 3 seats in 2018 unless we do. People don't vote for people who don't like them.

From a Driftglass explanation

NCD — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:57:16 +0000

In reply to BrightBarf Spews -Who will Listen?

From a Driftglass explanation of where we are:

And as the election of 2016 shows with tragic clarity, the Republican Party is simply incapable of healing itself. There is not enough "internal fortitude" left in that entire shitpile of bigots and imbeciles and con men and looters to organize a game of charades, much less any serious opposition to the whims and ravings of the puppet of a hostile foreign power who is using The Bastard President to smash the last of our democratic institutions to bits. Hell, the other elected leaders of the Party of Lincoln are so frantic to slash taxes and regulations for their paymasters and gut the social safety net for everyone else that they can't even manage a collecting finger-wag as The Bastard President openly sides with Vlad the Elector against his own country.

Remember, these are the same Republican elected officials who lost their collective shit every hour on the hour for the last eight years over nonsense like Barack Obama wearing a tan suit or putting his feet up on his desk. The same Republican elected officials ho lied and slandered and held the United States government and the global economy hostage over and over again. Whose major accomplishment were meaningless votes to strip people of their health insurance and endless witch-hunts over manufactured "scandals".

And the reason for they did all of it -- the reason for eight years of berserk rage against a decent man over shit they invented followed by weeks of craven groveling before a racist lunatic who actually is wrecking the place -- is the worst kept secret in America. The reason they did it all is because the paranoid, malignantly ignorant, racist base of the party love this shit.