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Mike... Moving on . . .

oldenGoldenDecoy — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:45:23 +0000

In reply to OGD, focusing on independents

Mike... Moving on . . .

I don't even want to broach the subject of Bernie... I'm way down the road from that.

"...they need to focus on creating a broad realignment that will move party lines across the board. That's what Republicans achieved, and that's why they have become the majority party."

Just make sure and take a look at my latest post.

Redistricting: The Fight for the States

It's gonna be a long hard slog, but it's gotta be done.

~OGD~

They achieved success in

Michael Wolraich — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:33:00 +0000

In reply to All the issues to point to

They achieved success in spite of alienating moderates, not because of it, which is why Democrats shouldn't be so worried about creating a radical platform that may alienate moderates.

The issues I mentioned appealed to many people who we now call "the right" but who once thought of themselves as pro-labor progressives and voted Democrat. Of course, we need to emphasize different issues that are in line with progressivism and tolerance. White, black, rich, poor, it doesn't matter, but we need to win over people who voted for Trump and who voted for Republican representatives if we hope to rebuild a strong Democratic majority.

OGD, focusing on independents

Michael Wolraich — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:20:00 +0000

In reply to

OGD, focusing on independents can win individual elections, but it's not a good long term strategy. You need to nurture consistent, reliable voters who vote Democrat up and down the ticket (and reduce the number of people who vote Republican up and down the ticket).

That's not to say that Democrats shouldn't go after independents. They should, but they need to focus on creating a broad realignment that will move party lines across the board. That's what Republicans achieved, and that's why they have become the majority party.

I absolutely agree with Ganz's opinion that you need a story about the future, though I don't necessarily agree with him that Bernie has it. Bernie has a story, but I think it's more about the past than the future. Sadly, I don't have a story myself.

P,.S. They don't even have to

artappraiser — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:43:12 +0000

In reply to I think some of that myth

P,.S. They don't even have to be Democrats or liberals, just sane about guns. Like the majority of police officers or ex-military who are rational human beings.Those attracted to the N.R.A. bullshit are the types that the latter would try to lock up should the apocalypse come in order to restore law and order.The N.R.A. is actually anti-government libertarian, anti law and order, the second amendment is the only law they care about.Their goddamn argument every time some gun related disaster happens that if everyone else had been packing it would have been fine must drive rational gun owners nuts.

I think some of that myth

artappraiser — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:33:57 +0000

In reply to It's a myth that only the far

Excellent point.

I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for gun afficianados who are rational enough to be anti-NRA. And to actually have to interact with these nut cases all the time while pursuing their hobby at shows and the like.

It's a myth that only the far

ocean-kat — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 09:48:05 +0000

In reply to Trumpkins "have the guns",

It's a myth that only the far right or only republicans have guns and that liberals don't. I hear it all the time. I saw a video of one of the gun nuts at the Bundy encampment in Oregon who said, paraphrasing, that we're going to have a civil war but we, i.e. the far right, doesn't have to worry about the liberals because they don't have any guns.

I think some of that myth comes from the NRA and republicans convincing people that democrats want to ban guns and take away the guns people have. Therefore the gun nuts think democrats don't have guns. Democrats don't want to ban guns. We just want what we see as sensible gun control. Some of the regulations we want are supported by NRA members. The most far right gun nuts don't speak for all gun owners or for all NRA members.

There are large numbers of hunters that are democrats. Sure many have been convinced by the lies and have moved to the republicans but there are still many who vote democrat. I'm a far left liberal and I hunt and own guns. I know many liberals as far left as me that own guns. My father and many of his friends are moderate democrats and they own guns.

oldenGoldenDecoy — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 09:26:56 +0000

In reply to "building a party platform

Hey... Mike... I know you realize . . .

It's really the nonpartisan independents to "attract and galvanize" coupled with hard work to get out the vote on the Dem side.

So I suggest that Democrats don't need a platform that everyone in the party can agree on. They need radical and exciting ideas to attract and galvanize voters from both sides of the aisle.

And what's your list of radical and exciting ideas to attract voters?

As Marshall Ganz said over here...

You need a story about a future that can be built based on democratic values.

Can you expand on your thoughts on these four basic political positions?

Economic, Social, Legal, and Foreign policy issues

~OGD~

Trumpkins "have the guns",

harsh reality — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 08:20:22 +0000

In reply to Trump Voters Are Not the Enemy

Trumpkins "have the guns", and are also killing themselves off with Meth. Their predicament is truly tragic (unlike Trump's "fake tragic") but we can't save them all.

I share DNA with several, and

jollyroger — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 05:06:53 +0000

In reply to Trump Voters Are Not the Enemy

I share DNA with several, and I am sufficiently ashamed thereby that I won't divulge exactly how much of the genomes in question devolve from how near a shared ancestor...

Trump made a direct assault

rmrd0000 — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 00:42:21 +0000

In reply to All the issues to point to

Trump made a direct assault on the media at CPAC today. He is blocking White House reporters. The Trump supporters will not speak out about Trump's action.