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There is an irrelevance to

moat — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 01:47:19 +0000

There is an irrelevance to the "professional minions" on display. To use the language of contracts, Trump is the one they made the deal with, not those other people. For those who hired him as their agent to dismantle the machine that was built to destroy them, he is being consistent and coherent.
I think this consistency buys him time but does not make him invulnerable to all outcomes. If he fails to deliver on his promise, they will turn on him. If the Liberals are not actually brought low, that is not something that fake news can gloss over.

good point, moat

artappraiser — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:34:57 +0000

In reply to To my ear, the passion is not

good point, moat. knowing the narratives that resound with his fans, that may be his main talent? certainly many of his minions don't have the knack of getting his "message", where they end up contradicting it and then having to walk back? what we see and professional minions see as non-sequiter blurts, he and his fans see as a complete narrative?

To my ear, the passion is not

moat — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:03:29 +0000

In reply to It is kind of amazing how

To my ear, the passion is not for the man himself but the narrative that he has been willing to employ without qualification. To wit:

Liberals not only want different things than we do. They want to destroy our way of life.

The need to keep whacking the Hillary piñata after the candy has fallen out is simple. While Liberals are frightened by the change, they aren't scared shitless. They were promised shitless. The Red Queen dragged from the forest in chains, Mexicans being shot over the border in catapults, the resumption of the Crusades, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera....

Only the period of rapid

Michael Wolraich — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 22:17:30 +0000

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Only the period of rapid change isn't finished. If automation displaces as many workers as the futurists predict, this could get a lot worse before it gets better.

It's the gold lame columns

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:29:00 +0000

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It's the gold lamé columns and the lion - he's tapped into a Disney Pavlovian meme that has people flocking to the ticket office as a mix between The Lion King and the successful Hercules franchise (note the bizarre overdone 70's/early-80's orange hair below, along with Steve Bannon as warthog sidekick and some colorful baboon as his personal sphinx) .

The over-extended red power tie? It's really just an Oedipal substitute for the King of the Jungle's super-sized tongue, presumably so Trump can lick his own asshole when others aren't doing it for him.

It is kind of amazing how

artappraiser — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:00:51 +0000

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It is kind of amazing how passionate some Trumpies are. It's like they always wanted to see someone who was not a politician become president, true simple populism, a "regular person", and they are just thrilled to finally be able to see him upset the applecart in the swamp and handle things badly according to Hoyle. They hate Washington so bad they have long been Instinctively for chaos theory (the reason why many have not voted before or voted infrequently?)

The irony is that the "regular person" they have got is a narcissistic billionaire New Yorker.

(That he was in their living rooms on teevee for so long and has kneejerk impulse and puts on a baseball cap for campaigning and has a taste for the garish in decorating makes them think of him as a "regular guy"?)

The guy positing the 4 stage

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:49:36 +0000

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The guy positing the 4 stage cycle theory says we'll be on to the new one by 2030 if we can avoid another world war. May be close enough for the Singularity to hit at the same time, saving us shopping for 2 new holidays.

I think it depends upon what

artappraiser — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:44:13 +0000

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I think it depends upon what you mean by "long." Artappraiser doing business as a fortune teller without a license thinks: they are part of a worldwide phenomenon starting early in this century and we are in the middle of it now, so we have like 10 or 15 years to go. The effects of globalization and incredibly rapid change make this period as stressful and revolutionary as like, circa 1848 after the industrial revolution. Conservatives are naturally less able to handle all the change, are going to flip out and try to drag back to the tribal past, they are being dragged kicking and screaming into the present but they don't like it. But their kids can handle it, they grew up with it. The millenial generation is going to come up with an entire new paradigm of political parties.( Ain't just whistlin' dixie on that, it's a sure thing with some issues like race and heritage, the census questions won't even make sense anymore to a lot of them.)

I'll probably be dead. It's no fun dealing with all this change everywhere at the end of life, so I feel their pain but still don't agree with their reaction.

For want of better place to

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:40:00 +0000

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For want of better place to post, looks like Bernie/Revolution politics isn't making the friends it wants, with folks less than impressed by the "you have to woo us" tack yet again. Even as Perez quickly made Ellison deputy.

Personally, I'm quite relieved, as I think a Muslim as DNC head would be a great distraction & rallying cry for the GOP. Sorry if that smacks of religious discrimination, but as Hillary once noted, we don't need to be pushing free abortion rights for illegal immigrants as our top agenda item.

And yes, Hillary remains the elephant in the room for some reason. Last gasp for conservatives? We've hoped this before and it didn't happen, not even 2008's crash-and-burn kept them down and slightly humble for even a second.

Angry Trumpers and rabid

Michael Wolraich — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:34:06 +0000

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Angry Trumpers and rabid Republicans would definitely have made things very unpleasant if Hillary had won. But last gasp? That sounds like wishful thinking. I fear that this is just the beginning of a long war against a new kind of conservatism.