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coming to mind after I posted

artappraiser — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:20:20 +0000

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coming to mind after I posted this quote on your thread

In theory, Trumpism follows the tradition of the European right, which combines nationalism with support for the welfare state. In practice, Trumpism relies on Donald Trump, who is many things to many people, and the Republican Party, which rejects nationalism (apart from the interventionist sort) and seeks to shrink the welfare state.

that it sort of syncs with Bannon theory, too:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/what-steve-bannon-really-thinks

in case you like, have extra reading time, hah.

I suspect some of the labor types who are pro-Trump instinctively get some of this from all the code words, without knowing everything behind it....

Looking forward to reading

Bruce Levine — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:08:18 +0000

In reply to Inside the Trump-Ryan Murder

Looking forward to reading this, AA, thanks. Wondering how these contradictions are overridden by the chaos dimension.

Inside the Trump-Ryan Murder

artappraiser — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:21:14 +0000

In reply to Trump and Ryan fear the GOP faces a ‘bloodbath’ in 2018. They may be right.

Inside the Trump-Ryan Murder-Suicide Pact

The health-care imbroglio is the first big test of Trumpism. Its contradictions could be hidden during the campaign season. Now, they are coming into sharp relief.

by T.A. Frank @ The Hive @ VanityFair.com, March 15

Paul replaces Cruz as GOP

artappraiser — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:54:47 +0000

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Paul replaces Cruz as GOP agitator

By Alexander Bolton @ The Hill.com, March 15

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has replaced Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) as the prime conservative agitator in Congress.

Paul is waging a public relations war against the House Republican healthcare reform legislation in the hope that he can bring Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the measure’s champion, to the negotiating table.

The Kentucky senator is betting that if he can convince a relatively small group of House conservatives to vote against the legislation, it will force House GOP leaders to back away from what he calls “ObamaCare lite.”

“There’s really no negotiating going on. Ryan is giving up nothing until he determines he doesn’t have enough votes. If we get to the point where he doesn’t have enough votes, then he’ll negotiate,” he told The Hill in an interview Tuesday [....]

Republicans risk midterm

artappraiser — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:48:55 +0000

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Republicans risk midterm meltdown

Republicans admit they’re growing increasingly concerned about falling into familiar political traps.

By Gabriel Debenedetti

@ Politico.com, 03/15/17 05:16 AM EDT

[....] “This is all a mess, it’s going to stay a mess, it’s a huge undertaking. They have allowed themselves to be trapped by two Washington swamp institutions — reconciliation, as defined by the parliamentarian, and the Congressional Budget Office. It’s very hard to defend Trumpism if you let the swamp define the rules of the game,” said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the leader of 1994’s so-called Republican Revolution. “Health is an immensely difficult area, ten times more complicated than national security. We’re going to have to muddle through for a while."

His party, he said, could risk a serious midterm blowback if the health plan isn’t through within the year: “By next Spring, they have to have a health solution clear enough — and implemented enough — that people feel comfortable."

Outside Washington, GOP governors — many of them elected as part of the Class of 2010 — sense the danger as well. Despite agreeing in principle with the idea of repealing and replacing Obamacare, few have been willing to vigorously support the American Health Care Act [....]

Breitbart relishing newfound

artappraiser — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:51:11 +0000

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Breitbart relishing newfound power to torment Paul Ryan

The conservative outlet’s escalating attacks on the House speaker and the GOP health plan are causing severe agitation among the legislation’s backers.

By Josh Dawsey and Hadas Gold

@ Politico. com, 03/14/17 07:38 PM EDT

Thanks for the link. My job

ocean-kat — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:38:08 +0000

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Thanks for the link. My job as caretaker of a ghost town gives me lots of time for reading. I basically stay around my house waiting for tourists to come. Traffic here is low as Ruby is a non profit and all the owners care about is that enough people show up to pay someone to live here so people don't destroy and vandalize the historic buildings. There is no advertising except for local newspapers doing an occasional article. During the hours we're open I can't do anything even a little noisy because I have to be able to hear the cars driving into the site. That leaves a lot of time for reading as there's not much else I can do while I'm waiting for a tourist to drive in.

It's a happy scenario that I

ocean-kat — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:28:59 +0000

In reply to I'm confident that

It's a happy scenario that I hope is true. But when Christie Todd Whitman said she would vote for Hillary over Trump and other moderate republicans claimed they would never vote for Trump many thought the moderates would abandon the republican party over Trump. It didn't happen. Most of the moderate republicans stuck with the party in spite of their dislike of Trump. Perhaps in this partisan era party trumps all intraparty disagreements. We'll see.

Good points. Sure beats Dems

NCD — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:27:25 +0000

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Good points. Sure beats Dems having to wait for the GOP to unleash the deregulated financial freedom greedfest and Great Recession II.

I'm confident that

Michael Wolraich — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:51:00 +0000

In reply to Martin Longman, runs

I'm confident that Republicans will lose seats, especially in the House, but Longman raises a fair challenge to the bloodbath scenario. The lost of seats may not threaten their majority.

That said, I do see a potential bloodbath if the GOP civil war heats up. When the health care bill fails, there will be recriminations between the pragmatic and ideological factions, and the Freedom Caucus could easily turn against Ryan and the moderate senators. If it gets ugly, right-wingers may refuse to vote for "RINOs," and centrists may refused to vote for racists. Even worse for the Republicans would be a Trump vs establishment battle. It's not hard to imagine Trump venting his wrath against Ryan and McConnell, and the consequences of Trump voters feeling betrayed the GOP establishment would be severe.