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Nice version, thanks. Has it

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:46:12 +0000

In reply to I don't see how this helps

Nice version, thanks. Has it been 14 years? Jesus.

still he's not giving up,

artappraiser — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:43:57 +0000

In reply to It doesn't seem to me that

Great point that make Nunes look even more wimpy. But Trump's still not giving up, WaPo now

At Trump’s urging, House Republicans to vote on health-care bill Friday even as they still whip for votes

and on CNN they just had a report live from Capitol, the GOP is having a big pep rally,on like the procedural vote, the reporters outside can hear like standing ovations inside the room

and that Trump's personal account has just tweeted support including creating the hashtag #passthebill

But I like that Chris Cillizza's op-ed from a few hours ago is #5 on "most read" and climbing:

Analysis: Republicans have met the enemy on health care. It’s them.

It doesn't seem to me that

ocean-kat — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:00:10 +0000

In reply to yeah nothing left to lose

It doesn't seem to me that threat has any teeth. "Little Marco" "Lying Ted Cruz" and "not a hero" McCain won easily despite the fights they had with Trump. He doesn't seem to have the power to convince people not to vote for someone any more than Obama seemed to have the power to convince his followers to vote for his choices. Look at all the seats democrats have lost during Obama's 8 years despite his campaigning for them.

yeah nothing left to lose

artappraiser — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:33:51 +0000

In reply to I don't see how this helps

yeah nothing left to lose does come to mind but then it's ironic because they are supposedly such a majority. As a long time Independent, I think that whole thing is just more pile-on of many years of our political parties having very little meaning anymore, they are far too factional to have any.

What popped into my mind now on this front: a day ago I was reading that big mean scary Trump was going to remember every single person that didn't vote his way, whoever wouldn't deal and make sure their life was miserable. And he was going to start with the conservatives. And then I saw the story about the Koch brothers promising they'd cover anyone threatened with being primaried for refusing to vote for the Ryan bill, cash money included (Scroll down a short ways to see that story, I posted it on this thread Thu, 03/23/2017 - 12:30am .)

I don't see how this helps

ocean-kat — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:03:47 +0000

In reply to he's not givine in yet; NPR

I don't see how this helps him. It's the so called "freedom caucus" being unwilling to compromise that's stymied efforts of moderates to compromise for the last 8 years. So far they don't seem any more willing to compromise now that republicans are in control. We'll see I guess. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

he's not givine in yet; NPR

artappraiser — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:05:17 +0000

In reply to The GOP is backing away from

but he's not giving in yet; NPR calls it "Major Blow to Trump": BUT that

Trump is going to try a different tack — at a point a bit more leftward on the spectrum — and meet with the maybe two dozen moderates in the so-called Tuesday Group later Thursday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said at a White House briefing with reporters.

Edit to add: comes to mind, moderates got to feel that they come second to conservatives with him! When they probably started out thinking he was more on their side given the nature of his vague promises when running.

The GOP is backing away from

rmrd0000 — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:34:50 +0000

In reply to I think a lot of the

The GOP is backing away from the vote today. Trump and Ryan failed.

NYT basically acting as House

artappraiser — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:00:01 +0000

In reply to Koch Network to Defend

NYT basically acting as House Whip on the voting with a new article, very detailed, with interactive charts & maps

How House Republicans Are Planning to Vote on the Obamacare Replacement

By THE NEW YORK TIMES UPDATED Thursday, 3 p.m. Eastern

I paste the beginning below but the charts will not paste, best to see at their site:

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan is still trying to build a majority to pass the Republican health care bill, which is scheduled for a vote in the House of Representatives on Thursday.

The bill needs 216 votes to pass. None of the Democrats in the House have said they support it, but at least one is expected to miss the vote. That means no more than 22 Republicans can vote against the bill, if it is to pass. Of the 237 Republicans in the House …

144 Support the bill or lean yes

47 Undecided or unclear

15 Concerns or lean no

31 No

Positions are based on public statements by members, and may change.

House Republicans released an amendment to the bill — the American Health Care Act — on Monday night in an effort to sway more members to vote yes. The original bill had faced opposition from both conservative and centrist Republicans.

Many of the Republicans counted in our “oppose” group have expressed concerns about the original bill, which was released on March 6, or have said they would vote against it. Party leaders expect many of them, as well as many of those who have been undecided, to support the bill as it is finalized.

The Hard-Line Conservatives

6

Support

5

Unclear

9

Concerns

16

No

Position of Freedom Caucus members and of recipients of campaign contributions from the group's PAC

The House Freedom Caucus, a group of at least 30 members, poses the greatest threat to Republicans’ long-awaited opportunity to undo President Barack Obama’s health care law, the Affordable Care Act.

Kaplan & Pear @ NYT basically

artappraiser — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:50:07 +0000

In reply to Koch Network to Defend

Kaplan & Pear @ NYT this morn basically suggest here that Trump was not very successful in his supposed deal making with the House conservatives:

WASHINGTON — Hard-line conservatives in the House left their White House meeting with President Trump Thursday afternoon without consensus on legislation to repeal the Affordable Care Act, as they pressed to eliminate federal requirements that health insurance plans provide a basic set of benefits like maternity care, emergency services and wellness visits.

House Republican leaders had placed their faith in a House Freedom Caucus negotiating session at the White House with Mr. Trump. Without an agreement, a vote on the House floor, still scheduled for Thursday, could slip, although House leaders have not made that decision [....]

Koch Network to Defend

artappraiser — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:30:25 +0000

In reply to look at this big headline

Koch Network to Defend Republicans Who Vote Against AHCA

Newsmax, March 22

The conservative Koch network is promising to spend millions of dollars to defeat the health care overhaul backed by President Donald Trump and top House Republicans.

The network's leading organizations, Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Partners, announced late Wednesday the creation of a special fund to support House members who vote against the health care bill.

The announcement, which comes on the eve of the House vote, marks the influential conservative network's most aggressive move against the health care proposal, which is under attack from the right and the left.

"The bill as it stands today is Obamacare 2.0," said James Davis, executive vice president of Freedom Partners, in a statement announcing the new fund. He added, "We will stand with lawmakers who keep their promise and oppose this legislation - and work toward a solution that reduces costs and provides Americans with the relief they need and deserve." [.....]

and on Trump wheeling and dealing to win over some of the above:

Inside Trump’s last-ditch bid to avoid a health care disaster

The president is doing a hard sell ahead of Thursday's decisive House vote.

By Rachael Bade, John Bresnahan and Kyle Cheney

@ Politico.com 03/22/17 07:22 PM EDT