dagblog - Comments for "76000? Cain't kill coal cuz coal's already dead"

Coal miners should not be

rmrd0000 — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:24:51 +0000

In reply to Miners Lament Trump Silence

Coal miners should not be surprised by this.

Miners Lament Trump Silence

artappraiser — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:11:01 +0000

In reply to 76000? Cain't kill coal cuz coal's already dead

Miners Lament Trump Silence on Imperiled Health Plan

By NOAM SCHEIBER @ New York Times, April 19

Coal company bankruptcies have left coverage for retirees, many with chronic ailments, in federal hands. Unless Congress acts this month, benefits will end.

Edit to add a good piece from a few weeks ago:

Coal Mining Jobs Trump Would Bring Back No Longer Exist

By HIROKO TABUCHI @ New York Times Business, March 29

Wondering how a more staid,

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:54:00 +0000

In reply to Yes but it's a little

Wondering how a more staid, intellectual Didion-Dunne marriage/partnership stacks up to Jane & Paul, and how Salinger got away with making homosexuality shocking in 1956 what with the common-day antics of Cole Porter & Gertrude Stein up through Jane Bowles & Carson McCullers (perhaps it's lesbians don't matter in consequence, it's when boys do it, bees do it, even little bitty trees do it...)

Peter, you don't usually have

CVille Dem — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 03:57:31 +0000

In reply to Luckily for all of us these

Peter, you don't usually have so many misspellings in 2 sentences. Are you a little wasted? I'd like to think so anyway.

Luckily for all of us these

Peter — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 23:37:12 +0000

In reply to CLINTON: I'm the only

Luckily for all of us these people could easily seperate the promise of jobs destruction from the phony promise of a rescue package. She may have claimed to not want to forget these people but neoliberal democrats are practiced at deciet.

CLINTON: I'm the only

CVille Dem — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:44:22 +0000

In reply to CLINTON: I'm the only

CLINTON: I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim?

And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.

Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on. [CNN, Democratic Town Hall, 3/13/16]

Thank you so much for repeating this. I am so sorry that no one else bothers. Peter seems a bit lazy, or just ideologicallly dishonest. One or the other.

And then:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/11/12/clinton-pl...

Beyond irritating

CLINTON: I'm the only

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 17:17:01 +0000

In reply to I was refering to the Red

CLINTON: I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim?

And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.

Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on. [CNN, Democratic Town Hall, 3/13/16]

Clinton's $30 Billion Plan For Coal Communities Provides Support During Transition To Clean Energy. In November, Clinton released a plan to create federal programs designed to assist coal-dependent communities while transitioning toward more environmentally-friendly energy sources. The $30 billion proposal includes measures that:

Protect health and retirement benefits for retired coal miners.

Ensure public schools in coal communities remain funded even as the coal-related revenues that currently support them decline.

Make major infrastructure investments in coal communities in order to grow local economies and increase employment.

Increase public investment in research and development in coal-producing regions.

Expand tax credits in communities that are suffering from the coal industry's decline in order to attract new private investment.

Provide job training for workers and technical assistance for small businesses in coal communities.

Fund programs that make homes in coal communities more energy efficient, saving families money on their electric bills. [HillaryClinton.com, The Briefing, 11/12/15]

I was refering to the Red

Peter — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 16:49:12 +0000

In reply to Wyoming has taken over the

I was refering to the Red Queen's campaign promise to shut them down and put coal miners out of work while promoting foreign imports of solar panels made in China with electricity from some of the worst polluting coal plants in the world. This is the kind of brainfarts you get from political parasites that will make some people very wealthy while destroying hard working people's jobs but producing little or no cleaner energy.

This is where it is evident what the Clintonites think of working class people and because of the miners falling numbers can dismiss them as unimportant. With manufacturing jobs already decimated in the US the spread of automation is much more threatening to the professional and managerial class workers and white collar in general. Expert programs wil make many otf these people join the wandering solar panel crews for burger-flipper wages.

It's my thread, I can do what

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 16:17:07 +0000

In reply to Yes but it's a little

It's my thread, I can do what I like. Flame on.

Wyoming has taken over the

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 15:35:00 +0000

In reply to These are still working class

Wyoming has taken over the majority of production because the costs are much less and it's a lot more straightforward than the heroic and deadly Appalachian mining of yore.

Wyoming: 375.8 (42%)
West Virginia: 95.6 (11%)
Kentucky: 61.4 (7%)
Illinois: 56.1 (6%)
Pennsylvania: 50.0 (6%)

Appalachia has only 37,000 coal jobs - 15,000 in W.Va, 10k in Ky, 6600 in PA. How many in Wyoming to provide 42% of output? Also 6600. 1/4 the workers for almost twice the output of the Appalachians. They cover this kind of math in 5th grade.

I know you hate the "Red Queen", but her jobs as NY senator and Secretary of State had little to do with coal, and she's been out of office over 4 years now. Maybe it's time to find a more relevant bête noire.

And I get where you're coming from with clean energy - that's all for pussies. Real men can handle black lung and emphysema. In my day kids could even work the mines - no more.. It's like those damn anti-smokers - they're ruining our heritage.

BTW, from Yale Environment 360:

• Geology: In central Appalachia, the wide and easily accessible coal seams are gone, and coal operators in this region are working their way up the cost curve as they exploit harder-to-reach reserves. Coal from this region is more expensive, and our mines are less productive — not because our miners aren’t working hard, but because of basic geology. Coal production in the central Appalachian Basin in 2015 was 40 percent below its annual average level in 2010-14. In three other main coal-producing regions of the country — the northern Appalachian Basin, Rocky Mountain region, and the Powder River Basin in Wyoming and Montana — production in 2015 was 10 to 20 percent below their corresponding regional annual average levels from 2010-14.