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Does it really matter if the

ocean-kat — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 23:17:17 +0000

In reply to Ossoff' Republican opponent

Does it really matter if the poors get a livable wage so long as the have enough kids to replace them when they die?

The Trumpers are thinking of

NCD — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 22:26:27 +0000

In reply to Ossoff' Republican opponent

The Trumpers are thinking of the illegals they hire.

Ossoff' Republican opponent

rmrd0000 — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 20:58:38 +0000

In reply to Voting While Black: Georgia Edition

Ossoff's Republican opponent says that she does not believe in a "livable wage". That statement would be thought to kill her chances, but in Trumpworld, she can still win the election.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/karen-handel-livable-wage_us_59382d0...

Thanks Danny. I agree it is

rmrd0000 — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 14:05:25 +0000

In reply to artappraiser's response to

Thanks Danny. I agree it is tiresome.

AA, I don't care that I haven

rmrd0000 — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 14:04:36 +0000

In reply to again, it's not a double

AA, I don't care that I haven't convinced you. The threat to stay home is a clear message that they want the Democrats to pay attention to the community. It is blackmail in the same sense that white voters voting for the incompetent orange racist Trump was blackmail. You had better hope Democrats make every overture to the black community possible. We have political parties. Those parties have to sell their ideas to the public. Black voters are included in the public. The majority of blacks voted, so cut the crap,about not voting. You seem to want Republicans to win if people don't follow your rigid viewpoint.

again, it's not a double

artappraiser — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 06:45:23 +0000

In reply to The proper response to the

again, it's not a double standard to go after voters who once voted for your party but switched their votes to another. It's just sensible, especially when you have lost the presidency and congress.

On Ferguson, I don't get who the national party boss man is who is supposed to send in "activists" to get people out to vote on a local race. If the people in Ferguson don't care to be those activist themselves, why should the national party?

I've asked several times what you think what you call "the Afro-American community" wants from the Dem national party that's different from what white Dem voters want and any other color voters want from the Dem national party that is not being addressed. You are continually threatening that you fear they will stay home next time until they get something addressed by the Dem party, but it's not clear exactly what it is.

But what you seem to suggest it is for this community you speak for is that they want the Dem party to stop courting people who switched from Obama to Trump, you instead want to hear the Dem party call them out as deplorables and racists instead of courting them. In effect suggesting polarization needs to be increased in order that lots of Afro-American voters don't stay home. So it's blackmail from non-activists who are wont to staying home anyways, and aren't that passionate about the right to vote, towards activists. As if punishing and shaming and polarizing will create a win for the Dem party.

Good luck with that. As I said, I'm an Independent who wishes we had followed George Washington's farewell address not to have any political parties at all. I'm just interested in how on earth you think this is going to work in the system we have.

You certainly have not convinced me that threatening not to vote is something that would accomplish anything.

Black voters didn't "stay

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 04:32:00 +0000

In reply to So you are saying that Afro

Black voters didn't "stay home" - they were out in large numbers. The fault lies elsewhere - 10 types of elsewhere combined, some more significant than others.

Much of the disinfo is simply to blame Hillary - she couldn't inspire her party's core, she couldn't even inspire white women. And of course there's never any down side to blaming the black man for anything.

Yes, blacks support our party, and if a black president and the system can't even stop the vote disenfranchisement, the endless Freddy Gray-type police abuse, the "settle for twice the unemployment of whites" permanent ghettoization, they should be looking for other alternatives and approaches - certainly not "stay home". Except I think this time we had a candidate who would have fought harder and better knew the ropes - the other side simply pulled out all the stops.

Corbyn looked doomed a month ago, a dinosaur of the past. Now he might win. Macron proposes more of a Hillary-like neoliberal big tent for France and he *crushed* Le Pen. Those voters are angry over austerity (even Obama's austerity), scared about security, but still not abandoning human rights or giving in to petty racism. That even seems partially true in the US where the struggle and the cheating and the Russian-assisted chaos are greatest.

When women get mugged or raped, police always ask "what were you wearing? Why were you out that late or in that area? Why did you go to that party? Why did you drink?" Democracy got mugged, and we're still blaming the victim.

Worse, it's not a one-off - it's a mafia-style, entrenched corruption made worse by approved gerrymandering. [the good news - yesterday the Supreme Court said it's illegal. The bad news is they said the courts can't reverse results or make amends for the 6 year period it took to win the case - 3 elections gerrymandered, but forget that, let bygones be bygones, look to the future].

We tell the Democratic candidate "okay, you need X% extra margin to account for voter disenfranchisement, Y% extra to account for illegal money and collusion in the system, and Z% to account for illegal hacking & revealing of your records and Q% for the biased corporate-backed media attacks & anything-to-promote-a-horserace coverage and R% for the foreign paid spammers and the Google/Facebook exploits & rigged listings, and then leave an extra T% as slush in case some FBI official goes rogue or other unexpected October Surprise happens.

And if you don't manage all those extra margins? You're a loser, shut up and stop complaining.

I agree 100%

Danny Cardwell — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 02:15:59 +0000

In reply to The argument has been not to

I agree 100%

artappraiser's response to

Danny Cardwell — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 01:24:00 +0000

In reply to Voting While Black: Georgia Edition

artappraiser's response to this post is very telling and actually proves my point. The overwhelming majority of the left spent the weeks after the election repudiating anyone who linked Trump's victory to racism or misogyny. I'm certain there aren't many posts condemning uneducated white women for doing what I pointed out some blacks were considering doing. This is the trap of the left. I challenge people to look at your wedding pictures. If there aren't any black people in the photos maybe you don't qualify to say what black people should or shouldn't do with their vote. I live in the heart of the Confederacy. At a time when white supremacists are hanging people in Maryland and marching in Charlottesville. The left still thinks the issues black people bring up are "identity politics" that hurt their electoral chances. If the right doesn't care and the left is spineless why vote?

I'm not upset with any of you. It becomes emotionally exhausting trying to convince your allies that things suck for you. The need to equate economic issues with civil rights issues is one rooted in a fear of poverty. I have very well meaning allies who are so afraid of poverty that they equate it to living surrounded by people who don't have to respect your right to life. I've been a poor black man and a middle-class black man and I can assure you racism doesn't give a damn either way.

There's not enough political courage to call out the women who gave the presidency to the pu$$y grabber, so blacks will undoubtedly bear the responsibility should Ossoff lose.

PP's concerns about the

HSG — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 01:21:14 +0000

In reply to Well, white men let us down

PP's concerns about the legitimacy of the 2016 general election results are founded. Both Inc. and Alternet have published well-reasoned analyses of the non-trivial discrepancies between the exit polls, which indicated that Clinton would win the election, and the published results. Moreover, according to Fortune Magazine, as reported by Inc., the PA and WI used highly vulnerable electronic machines. Vote suppression may have also played a role in the discrepancy if voters thought their vote was going to count but it was discarded for some reason.

In addition, Glenn Greenwald's the Intercept reported this afternoon that "Russian military intelligence executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election, according to a highly classified intelligence report obtained by The Intercept." The Intercept is careful to note that there is no evidence that the Russians actually could or did interfere with the election count.

Scary stuff.