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Thanks for fleshing this out.

HSG — Sat, 10 Jun 2017 01:37:58 +0000

Thanks for fleshing this out. I cited to the news stories that formed the bases for the opinions I set forth. The term "fringe" came from the Bozeman Daily Chronicle. I claimed that the debts probably didn't sink Quist because the Helena newspaper indicated that for many Montanans - especially ranchers - debts are a fact of life.

Quist got 44%, much larger

ocean-kat — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 21:37:51 +0000

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Quist got 44%, much larger than the percent Clinton got in the general election.

Too often we make too much of these comparisons. When Gianforte ran for governor in 2016 he lost with 46% of the vote. Gianforte's loss against the last democrat was better than Quist's loss against Gianforte. How ever much Quist may have improved on Hillary's loss to Trump Gianforte improved much more over his loss to Bullock. My hopes are not much improved when dems lose less badly than Hillary in these red states.

You wrote:

tmccarthy0 — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 21:19:00 +0000

In reply to Winter of Progressive Discontent

You wrote:

Yet the Democrat lost and by an uncomfortably large margin. Some possible explanations: Folksinger Quist was a fringe candidate. Montana knew Gianforte better. The Democratic National Committee got involved too late. Most seriously, the Montana news media raised legitimate questions about the propriety of Quist’s finances based in part on unpaid state tax liens filed against his property and claims by contractors for unpaid wages.

This is really a problem with the candidate and yet Rob performed better than HRC did last fall, but all of those things you wrote are correct and hurt Rob, but Rob did a great deal of work at the local levels to get the nomination, he went to every single country and talked to all the Dem's he could and he won the nomination by doing that, so he did some really hard work, you can't stop a candidate like that, because he won the nomination, fair and square, and had Gianforte assaulted the reporter earlier, he would have lost. But Montanan's do not like people who are financially irresponsible, period, they figure if you can't manage your own finances you sure as shit cannot fix the fed's finances.

Okay let's talk about the Montana election, Rob did shrink the margin from Trumps win last fall, that is good, but Rob is a country singer, he does have bad finances and everything you mentioned, but he did cover the state and win the Democratic nomination because everyone in Montana knows Rob, and he is especially well known in the eastern part of the state which is very conservative. But I wouldn't call him a fringe candidate, however, I would call him a troubling candidate, because of all the issues you mentioned.

If you saw the map election night you should have noticed the few areas in Montana that are blue, Silver Bow County, Deer Lodge County, Missoula County, Roosevelt County, Glacier Country, Hill County, Blaine County, Gallatin County, and Park County and Big Horn County. That is 10 counties out of 56 counties, but Quist got 44%, much larger than the percent Clinton got in the general election. Rob has limited knowledge of issues and no real in-depth knowledge of any subject that one might need to know if you were going to be in government. Clinton only won 6 of those counties, and Rob turned a couple of counties light pink. He just was barely a good candidate, because of all those issues you mentioned above. Gianforte will not win in 2018 if Democrats can get a great candidate, but because of Quist, they made gains. It weird that you think those personal issues didn't sink him because they didn't help him at all, in fact, according to Montanan's they did sink him.

When I get home to Seattle I

tmccarthy0 — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:17:41 +0000

In reply to Winter of Progressive Discontent

When I get home to Seattle I'm going to tell the Montana at large story. I was there and my relatives are Montana voters. You're story is not quite right. Expect my response Friday.

No candidate of either party

Flavius — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 21:44:44 +0000

In reply to Fair enough. Bernie is far

No candidate of either party is ever ideal. We need to be able to win with ¨good enough ¨ candidates like Bernie and Hillary. Given the Republican´s inherent financial advantage, that always required that we also have good enough fund raising competence. But with ¨Citizens United ¨ the Court put such a heavy finger on the scale that it´s wishful thinking to imagine we can combat it with Bernie-type crowd funding.

It' ll take $s.

You pick cherries where the cherries is. ¨Hollywood ¨for sure. But also the financial industry we´re hoping to tell get lost. The other thing that´ll be lost will be the election (s).

Fair enough. Bernie is far

HSG — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 18:35:07 +0000

In reply to Hal, I think it is more about

Fair enough. Bernie is far from ideal. He did a poor job when he started his campaign listening to voters who were skeptical of him and his message.

Hal, I think it is more about

rmrd0000 — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 17:54:57 +0000

In reply to Which of Sanders' policy

Hal, I think it is more about listening specifically to what people in town halls are saying. "Millionaires and Billionaires is not getting actual votes.

Which of Sanders' policy

HSG — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 17:46:43 +0000

In reply to One problem with the Sanders

Which of Sanders' policy prescriptions do you personally oppose?

One problem with the Sanders

rmrd0000 — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 17:31:38 +0000

In reply to Winter of Progressive Discontent

One problem with the Sanders approach is that you go in assuming that you know what is best for the voters and what they want. You feel no need to ask voters what they want. You ignore certain populations concerns. Turnout for rallies is high. Favorability is high. You still lose elections.

Why has Sanders behavior

rmrd0000 — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 15:49:08 +0000

In reply to Thanks OGD. That's the

Why has Sanders behavior regarding Ossoff been so bizarre.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/20/bernie-sanders...