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Someone blasted UK media

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:01:07 +0000

Someone blasted UK media across the board for trying to destroy Corby & being grossly unfair to him over the last year. So maybe much of what I "know" about him is completely wrong.

We are all John Snow now.

Obey — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:13:51 +0000

In reply to Great stuff. No time for a

We are all Jon Snow now.

(This Jon Snow is the much respected bastard prince of Channel 4)

Great stuff. No time for a

Obey — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:01:51 +0000

In reply to 1) I see Bernie as basically

Great stuff. No time for a longer response now. Just a couple of notes.

I live in a place that sponsors festivals, free museum nights, excellent public transportation, along with government health care, heavily subsidized education, and a number of other services that Americans seem to cringe at - I'm all for, I think it brings society together, but I can't yet imagine to deliver that argument to the US

Status quo bias seems to me to be out the window, mate. In the UK, Momentum nutcases crafted a hard-left manifesto that won the vote in ... KENSINGTON. What the hell is going on I don't have a clue. But gosh-darn hand wringing about what the good people of Lake Wobegon are going to think seems quaint a this point. Like I was saying on the other thread, that go-to defensive crouch stance doesn't carry much weight, and not just for me, for ANYONE, it seems.

And I'm not necessarily taking lefty 70s classic rock nostalgia as the default breaking of the status quo. Seen the news today about Macron? Le Centrisme est mort, Vive le Centrisme!! What the hell is going on there? That is even more impressive than Corbyn, and shakes all my preconceptions about France.

Are they happy that they

rmrd0000 — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 02:08:31 +0000

In reply to "I talked to 1 young Hispanic

Are they happy that they helped elect Trump?

The founders who didn't want

rmrd0000 — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 02:07:14 +0000

In reply to re: view Bernie as some

The founders who didn't want a two-party system lost the argument. There were factions before the Revolutionary War, Independence vs. Pro-British Empire. After the were factions regarding political policy. Yin and Yang appears to be the norm. From a practical standpoint in the Presidential election, the winner will be the Democratic candidate or the Republican. If you voted third-party, thanks for electing Trump.

Any candidate can run on

NCD — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:53:38 +0000

In reply to Bernie was wrong to say the

Any candidate can run on those positions, there are primaries.

The GOP ran a witch for the Senate in Delaware.

I would vote for any Dem who ran against the GOP.

Hal... He's both . . .

oldenGoldenDecoy — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:11:41 +0000

In reply to So which do you believe

Hal... He's both . . .

His reason? To drive more folks to the "contribute" button...

go.berniesanders.com

NOTE: In 50 years I've never contributed a dime to any national campaign.

I save it for the popcorn.

~OGD~

"I talked to 1 young Hispanic

HSG — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:47:39 +0000

In reply to Many more black voters were

"I talked to 1 young Hispanic female millennial who had bought into the "can't trust Hillary" thing - couldn't verbalize why, just felt flustered . . ."

Odd, the people with whom I correspond who have trouble verbalizing why are those who bought in to the whole "trust Hilary" thing. Those who don't trust her have absolutely no difficulties setting forth precisely why with copious detailed examples.

There is a subset of voters

rmrd0000 — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:18:15 +0000

In reply to Many more black voters were

There is a subset of voters that will back Trump no matter what. We need outreach to every community. I don't see Bernie's demonization of Democrats as helpful. He probably alienates many people. His initial comments about Ossoff were not helpful. Like Trump, Sanders is too old to change his habits.

Many more black voters were

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 11 Jun 2017 21:58:53 +0000

In reply to AA, Democrats, including

Many more black voters were marginalized by voter obstruction than by indifference, and if there was indifference, I think it was by Democratic institutions themselves or Obama not pushing black-specific* remedies/responses for unemployment or mortgage theft or bank treatment, rather than Hillary & her campaign, as I think she made that effort a lynchpin in her campaign, despite the many efforts to discredit her street cred with blacks. And the turnout was quite high.

I think the biggest problem was progressive women, not conservative women. I talked to 1 young Hispanic female millennial who had bought into the "can't trust Hillary" thing - couldn't verbalize why, just felt flustered, so she didn't vote or voted 3rd party. They got to her. Focusing on the supposed "why blacks didn't show up" is fundamentally misleading. Sure, if Hillary were black, she might have done better, but she did largely as well as could be expected with that community. Others such as Hispanic and various classes of women are much more bewildering. The disinfo that's been shouted into poor white communities in flyover country? Not so surprising.

*There's never a problem creating policy around conservative Christian needs, LGBT needs, policies for children, for retirees, for vets, for immigrants, for AIPAC/Bibi, for neocons, for Wall Street, for anti-abortion proponents, etc. But the mere mention of something to help out the black community sets up wailing and gnashing of teeth. Everyone's down with St. Paddy's Day, Cinco de Mayo, all of this rejoicing in diversity, but "Let's not throw black people in the back of police vans and break their spines Day" seems to be asking too much, never mind cutting down on Giuliani's fav "stop and frisk".