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yes I know (still, I'd like

artappraiser — Sun, 18 Jun 2017 04:38:15 +0000

yes I know (still, I'd like to point out this is a story about an argument and negotiation over what that church stands for, no infallibility, not even dogma here)

This is an old joke, but oh,

CVille Dem — Sun, 18 Jun 2017 03:58:55 +0000

In reply to Careful - Baptists and

This is an old joke, but oh, well....

Why don't Baptists have sex standing up?

So no one will think they are dancing.

Careful - Baptists and

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 18 Jun 2017 03:21:32 +0000

In reply to two idle thoughts to add on

Careful - Baptists and Southern Baptists are 2 different animals.

Thanks Danny. Really good

HSG — Sun, 18 Jun 2017 00:53:04 +0000

In reply to Separating Church And Hate

Thanks Danny. Really good stuff as usual.

two idle thoughts to add on

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:31:27 +0000

In reply to Followers of Baal have rights

two idle thoughts to add on the American religions thing

1) During the Clinton years I was working with a Manhattan art dealer a lot where I'd often have to sit and wait for him after business hours, ended up getting friendly with their cleaning lady. She was smart, sassy and funny, would say things like what I do is push dirt from one end of the earth to the other. She would quote scripture a lot, so we'd get into that, then I learned she was a longtime Deacon at a Harlem Baptist church, was her "real" job, her career, her mission. One day abortion is in the news, there are a couple employees still there discussing it, she stops and puts her hands on her hips and pronounces IT'S THE WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOSE! Never thought of Baptists the same after that, realized they actually do do the cafeteria thing.

2) I'm a middle boomer raised Catholic in the Midwest, parochial schooled, huge extended family. Shocked when I moved to NYC in the 80's to find out how conservative the Catholic church is in this area compared to the Midwest. Somehow they never got the message of Vatican II. I'd like to report: do not be fooled by Pope Francis that things have changed. Just like there were tons of liberal American Catholics waiting out the last few papacies for a better pope, there are tons of very conservative Catholics just waiting out this papacy to get things back to their normal again.

So that's why the little kids

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:24:56 +0000

In reply to I was raised as a Baptist.

So that's why the little kids need to go to church all the time: to point out when the grownups there are going batshit crazy and not making any sense!

Many black voters see the

rmrd0000 — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 14:55:21 +0000

In reply to I was raised as a Baptist.

Many black voters see the church as a positive influence. Local churches feed and close the poor. Some have established housing for the elderly. The younger black population is less religious. Younger voters have a lower voting rate. Black congregations tend to lean more Democratic. It will be important for Democrats to reach out to black congregations.

I was raised as a Baptist.

CVille Dem — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:55:02 +0000

In reply to Separating Church And Hate

I was raised as a Baptist. You know...where the children went to Sunday School and the parents (for the most part stayed home). I went to Sunday School, then Church, then Wednesday Night Prayer meeting, and then Saturday Teen Meetings.

Looking back at it, it was the worst part of my life, because I was too young to have confidence in myself to refute the BS that went on ad nauseum, but I realized it. Finally, one Sunday there was a big kerfuffle, because one of our sponsored African missionaries was going to come to church. The only black person allowed in the church prior to this was the janitor. The question was if he could show up in normal clothes or if he should wear his African Robes and thereby keep us all comfortably separate.\

The minister was a wonderful man,(who later left the church to sell insurance) called on me during the sermon. I think i was no more than 12 at the time. I said that if we sponsored missionaries that we would not welcome in our church, we were a pretty low church. I can still remember those words.

He showed up 2 weeks later in African garb

I just can't find one single religion that is honorable, and so I am out.

Followers of Baal have rights

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:11:41 +0000

In reply to Well if it's truly the case

Followers of Baal have rights too, as does the reformed branch of Zoroastrianism. Sheesh, Americans so quick to marginalize us. All hail Mithras.

FWIW, here's how the Godless

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 01:55:52 +0000

In reply to Separating Church And Hate

FWIW, here's how the Godless Yankee New York Times reported the story:

In Quick Reversal, Southern Baptists Denounce White Nationalists

By Jacey Fortin, June 15

Southern Baptists voted to formally condemn the political movement known as the alt-right during their national meeting in Phoenix on Wednesday. Credit Ross D. Franklin/Associated Press

Delegates of the Southern Baptist Convention, an evangelical church fellowship with about 15 million members across the United States, condemned white supremacists and the “alt-right” in a resolution on Wednesday, one day after the delegates provoked a backlash by turning down a more harshly worded resolution.

The denomination’s annual meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday in Phoenix attracted about 5,000 delegates and pastors from across the country.

While the convention tends to lean conservative on many issues — one resolution that was approved called for defunding Planned Parenthood — Russell Moore, who is in charge of public policy for the convention, said in an interview on Thursday that the resolution against the alt-right had to do with Southern Baptist values, not politics.

“I heard no objections, privately or publicly, to this resolution,” he said. “None.”

The original resolution denouncing white supremacy was submitted by Dwight McKissic, a black Southern Baptist pastor in Texas. It called alt-right — a far-right, white nationalist movement — and white supremacists groups a “toxic menace.”

The convention’s resolutions committee announced on Tuesday that it had declined the resolution, provoking criticism from delegates and on social media. That led the committee to reconsider the matter on Tuesday evening, and a revised version was approved nearly unanimously by the delegates on Wednesday.

Most of Mr. McKissic’s language did not make into the final version, which was written by the committee [.....]