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George Wallace seemed to

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:22:39 +0000

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George Wallace seemed to mellow quite a bit when he had to have black nurses wipe his paralyzed butt. The lessons we learn the hard way...

We don't expect urban crime

rmrd0000 — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:56:11 +0000

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We don't expect urban crime to decrease. We are not surprised when a cop is acquitted of killing a black man carrying a legal firearm. The black man announced that he had a gun. The cop's partner never drew his weapon. We know this as much a legal travesty as acquitting the man who murdered Medgar Evers 54 years ago. We never give up the hope that things will change. If we give up hope we give up on communities protesting both high crime rates and police abuse. These efforts may seem futile, but they may have impacts we cannot measure. After the acquittal, the police department fired the shooter. We can expect the police union to argue for the shooter to remain on the force. We don't give up.

The Congressman shot on the baseball field attended a white supremacist conference. He was able to make it to the hospital because two black officers fired at the attacker. The Congressman voted against Gay marriage, but his life was saved by a lesbian police officer. The arc of the universe moves slowly, but we cannot give up hope.

Another rambling thought:

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:30:29 +0000

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Another rambling thought:

Talk about cultural exchange to understand "the other", Obama's got to be one of the poster children of all times. I just reminded myself of his Indonesian childhood period, and then went to Wikipedia to go over it again: so Mom's a hippie, but they are living in an area of Jakarta, Tebet, that is experiencing forced change of traditional values, and she sticks him in a Roman Catholic school! And then she hires some kind of traditional transgender person babysitter/nanny helper for child care, whoa, that's a new one I didn't know about. The there's Hawaii for high school...Talk about multi-culti rural/urban multi race multi religion rainbow child...

what you say gives me this

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:29:09 +0000

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what you say gives me this thought: the opoid crisis may be doing something similar to rural areas what the crack crisis did to inner cities in the 80's. With nationwide effects, of course.

Edit to add: it has been argued, and convincingly so to my mind, that trial and error changes in both culture and law enforcement after the crack crisis is what finally got a lot of urban crime rates down, and that took decades. For me, growing up and through the 80's, it always seemed that urban crime rates could only get worse or at best stay stable, never get better, no one thought it was solvable, it was like "the poor will always be with us", it was thought high urban crime was just a natural result of people with differing cultures living close together.

On the other hand, there would always be people like Woody Allen to make jokes how scary rural America was, the scary creepy quiet, the Ed Gein murdering monster types....the stereotypes that do a lot of damage among the uneducated, have to be addressed with humor...in the end, back to the "cultural exchange" of something like "Fresh Air Fund" can work wonders. Woody's character learned Annie's Grammy Hall in Maine or wherever she was wasn't as scary as he thought and wasn't always thinking about cooking and eating Jews.

Urban crime is decreasing. It

rmrd0000 — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:54:20 +0000

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Urban crime is decreasing. It's possible that now there is more danger in rural areas than in the city.

Edit to add:

Tayvon Martin was murdered in Sanford, Florida.

along those lines, I always

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:30:09 +0000

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along those lines, I always found interesting a tradition among some urban African Americans of my boomer generation quite interesting: when "kids" were getting in trouble in those urban areas, they might be sent "home" to auntie's rural house for the summer to get set straight. That appreciation of rural values over urban ones does not always disappear right away after migration.

Comes to mind that the New York Times' owners has been promoting the same ethos for decades, and it still does with its support of the Fresh Air Fund as a charity.

It is interesting that entire

rmrd0000 — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:19:39 +0000

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It is interesting that entire generations of black people were encouraged to move from rural regions to the city, a tale told in the "Warmth of Other Suns". The white population in rural America today seems to want their children to stay in rural areas despite the lack of jobs according to "Hillbilly Elegy".

I'm paying for an online

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:54:49 +0000

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I'm paying for an online subscription, but others iinterested who aren't might check out the Kaiser Family Foundation website to see if there is free access to data and analysis there.

There are separate links

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:47:09 +0000

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There are separate links under the Lede story, like this

More responses | Politics
Rural America lifted Trump to the presidency. Support is strong, but not monolithic.
Prayer
When it comes to saying grace, Americans are still united
Immigration
In rural America, fewer immigrants and less tolerance
Race
Differences, in black and white: Rural Americans’ views often set apart by race

For non-suscribers, It's not clear if one can access those all from the first link without counting as individual hits, probably not.