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It should be remembered that

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 14:58:00 +0000

It should be remembered that Hillary's approach was more than hope and a prayer. She'd built up her tough-on-security cred since 2000, and had foreign policy conservatives publicly endorsing her. But that momentum largely swung back, and most any that could be sniped off went to embracing the deplorables tag. The shameless embrace shame - and 7 1/2 months later they're still dug in, no matter how many crooked Trump revelations come out. Rather than throw too many stones, we need to reconcile how big this task is. My mom's got Fox on 14 hours a day - how's a stump speech going to counter decades of societal imprinting? We think logic and catering will do it (tho I agree blacks & Hispanics & Asians need more respect, attention, TLC), but these are folks who readily vote against their own interests. Even with Hillary, it's "there's so much stuff, there must be some truth to it". After 25 years, it just sticks, while Trump's is just 2 years in and combined with the allowances we give media figures and the rich and bad boys.

Thanks the dynamic in the

rmrd0000 — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 13:00:32 +0000

In reply to Interesting LA Times article

Thanks the dynamic in the black community is they are hearing Democrats talk about the danger of "identity politics" as the party openly goes after white voters. Blacks take in this message in the setting of the acquittal of a police officer who murdered a man legally carrying a firearm. Blacks know that the DOJ of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is unlikely to investigate. Blacks feel abandoned by the Democratic Party and the country as a whole. Blacks are not going to waste their votes on a third party, but some people may stay home if they feel that Democrats don't care. The country is not post-racial. Democrats need to be pro-active.

Interesting LA Times article

Obey — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:46:53 +0000

In reply to Thanks Obey, it is a hard

Interesting LA Times article you included above btw! I'm encouraged by these stories showing that there is a renewed interest in longer-term organizing.

Thanks Obey, it is a hard

rmrd0000 — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:36:20 +0000

In reply to The problem with the current

Thanks Obey, it is a hard message to sell. Michael Crichton was a well-educated Republican who didn't "believe" in climate change. The Democrats want to go on a snipe hunt for Liberal Republicans. The fact is that those Republican voters hate Liberal ideas more than they hate being associated with denial of science or having connections to white supremacists. Minority voters feel neglected by the Democratic Party. Democratic leadership has to make sure minority voters know that their votes are important. Ossoff could have done a better job.

The problem with the current

Obey — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:09:27 +0000

In reply to How We Analyzed It Live: Georgia’s Special Election

The problem with the current DNC strategy in one picture.

The DNC are invested heavily in winning over the socially progressive economic conservatives, i.e. the bottom right-hand quadrant. Spot the problem.

Like Rmrd suggests above, Democrats are better off trying to mobilize the more highly liberal voters on both social and economic vectors.

Graph from this Democracy Fund report.

You are welcome.

rmrd0000 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:18:29 +0000

In reply to Thanks for the links,

You are welcome.

Blacks, Latinos, and Asians need the same outreach TLC as white voters.

Thanks for the links,

NCD — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:02:31 +0000

In reply to I always said they would vote

Thanks for the links, excellent points.

I always said they would vote

rmrd0000 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:59:48 +0000

In reply to I like your refinement of

I always said they would vote with racists. I equated them to the stereotypical white Southern who would vote for White Citizens' Council members. There wasn't a big difference in how blacks were treated.

The analysis of the events in GA-6 in the era of Trump is that Ossoff was late in coming to the black community for votes. Cornell Belcher noted the following

“African American voters are really frustrated with the party,” said Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher, who worked on Obama’s campaigns and recently conducted a survey of African American voter attitudes for the Congressional Black Caucus. “A majority of African Americans nationally thinks the party takes them for granted. And a majority thinks the party doesn’t even try to win their votes.”

Democrats see big opportunity in this congressional district that has long favored establishment Republicans but which Trump barely won. Yet the demographics here and in similar potential swing districts throughout the sunbelt make politicking complicated. Ossoff has limited his use of the type of identity politics Democrats have long relied on to connect with minority voters, targeting much of his message at white suburban women.

But strategists like Belcher say the message is not the problem at a time when African Americans are just as concerned about the core issues of healthcare and economic insecurity as other voters; it’s that Democrats need to do more to bring the message to them.

“The Democratic Party is trying to get these voters on the cheap, and it is not going to work,” Belcher said. “These voters need to be persuaded.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-georgia-democrats-blacks-20170...

Ossoff was slow in responding to what black voters needed to hear.

Black political strategists, familiar with the impact of gerrymandering, expected Ossoff to lose in the head to head race. What was telling was how they viewed the white electorate.

“White people gonna white.”

“I know my racist neighbors.”

“Ossoff left 10,000 black voters out there.”

In the South—even the “educated” suburban South of a teeming multicultural metropolis like Atlanta—racial dynamics and party dynamics overlap in inescapable ways. White people generally don’t vote for the Democratic Party in Georgia, or any other Southern state. The idea that a coalition of educated suburban whites would actually team up with black voters to send a message to Donald Trump from Georgia was a fantasy created by the blue screen and CGI of outside Democratic analysts who want a happy ending to the Trump narrative in eight months.

They were very critical of the white voters in GA-6.

http://www.theroot.com/that-white-boy-bout-to-lose-the-inescapable-racia...

Serving to aid in proving the pessimism about the impact of ethnicity in GA-6, a white woman called police to report several black canvassers in the area. The police told the black folks, that they were investigating a series of robberies. This was a blatant lie.

http://www.theroot.com/add-this-to-the-list-the-dangers-of-canvassing-wh...

I don't give people who vote in the same pattern as racists a magical upgrade. They are still deplorables.

Do I see race in a lot of stuff? Yes. Keeps me sane. My goal is not to seek your approval. It is to relate my truth. I doubt that we agree on much.

I like your refinement of

artappraiser — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 20:52:24 +0000

In reply to We are pretending that a

I like your refinement of your usual argument here, it is quite promising. That is all.

We are pretending that a

rmrd0000 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:36:04 +0000

In reply to MW "Bernie Sanders like

We are pretending that a significant portion of the population is not going along with the total trashing of governmental norms. It is clear that the Russians interfered with our election and their is no commission tasked with preventing a recurrence. Where is the general outcry? There is no plan that Democrats can craft that will appeal to Trump voters. Are all Trump voters racist? No. Will Trump voters cast the same vote as David Duke? Yes. Our push should be to get every Democratic voter and Independent out to the polls. Our fellow citizens will stand idly by as Trump destroys the country. Encourage every Democratic Party supporter wherever they are to get out and vote.