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Britain ended slavery before

rmrd0000 — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 00:27:08 +0000

Britain ended slavery before the former colonies ended slavery. Neither of the two were angels.

They were the same - they

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:26:24 +0000

They were the same - they both thought it okay to have slaves in Virginia and Jamaica (and Eireland), just not in Merrye Olde Englande.

The British ruled in 1772

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 20:50:42 +0000

In reply to The British had to be pushed

The British ruled in 1772 that chattel slavery was not supported by the common law in the British Isles and Wales

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_v_Stewart

They were ahead of the colonists.

The British had to be pushed

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 18:47:06 +0000

In reply to I have no desire to absolve

The British had to be pushed on the issue of slavery as well.They may have ended the practice in the colonies if it meant gaining an edge on the colonists who owned slaves. Slave owners had cash and political power.

I have no desire to absolve

moat — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 17:18:18 +0000

In reply to No. We tend to absolve the

I have no desire to absolve anybody, especially slave holders.

It seems to me that a distinction should be made between arguments regarding the veneration due or not for pro-slavery "Founders" and the idea put forward by our Resident Pirate that the Revolutionary War was a referendum on the institution of Slavery and the corollary suggestion that victory of the British would have meant the end of the matter. The skepticism I express regarding this idea doesn't turn George Washington into a secret abolitionists.

Fans of Thomas Paine may be

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 16:49:05 +0000

In reply to Paine was da' man, wasn't he?

Fans of Thomas Paine in particular or history in general may be interested in watching him in a conversation with Cleopatra, Theodore Roosevelt, and Thomas Aquinas. One aspect of the program I found quite interesting is the live audience reaction to some of the now taboo viewpoints expressed by the various participants. Hearing the clapping and cheering for some of those views on national TV would be quite jarring today, only forty-one years later.

True. Nitwits have toe

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 16:20:22 +0000

In reply to Hold on - if there's 1 place

True. Nitwits have to be somewhere.

Hold on - if there's 1 place

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:35:31 +0000

In reply to We have Confederate flag

Hold on - if there's 1 place flag "nitwits" should be able to show up is the battlefield where that cause fought. Soldiers have been sacrificed for good and bad causes since eternity.

No. We tend to absolve the

rmrd0000 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:27:29 +0000

In reply to I would have chosen going

No. We tend to absolve the slave owners with little thought about the slaves. I was wondering what you would do when viewed from a differ perspective.

I would have chosen going

moat — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:10:45 +0000

In reply to Given the choice between

I would have chosen going with the British. It would suck when I found out that they valued me as little as the other side did.

Is your question a response to something I said?