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another harsh condemnation

artappraiser — Wed, 02 Aug 2017 05:21:02 +0000

In reply to Sueprise, sueprise, sueprise!

another harsh condemnation came from a particularly notable source: the acting administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Chuck Rosenberg. (TPM)

Sueprise, sueprise, sueprise!

artappraiser — Wed, 02 Aug 2017 04:58:22 +0000

In reply to NYPD, others repudiate Trump call for excessive force

Sueprise, sueprise, sueprise! ~ Gomer Pyle

Sessions offers rare warning on dangers of police misconduct

By Josh Gerstein @ Politico.com, 08/01/2017 08:16 PM EDT

As Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Tuesday delivered his usual recitation of the ills of violence and drugs plaguing America, he added in a problem he rarely brings up unprompted: police misconduct.

Sessions often chastises others for badmouthing police and, indeed, his remarks to an African-American law enforcement group in Atlanta included just such a passage.

But what was more notable was his public acknowledgment that "bad" officers were contributing to a lack of community trust.

"We all know the cases of the last several years when, in confrontations with police, lives have been cut short," Sessions told the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives conference. "Just as I’m committed to defending law enforcement who lawfully have to use deadly force to defend themselves while engaged in their work, I will also use the power of the office I’m entrusted with to hold any officer responsible who violates the law."

"You know all it takes is for one bad officer to destroy the reputations of so many who work every day to build good relationships in these communities and who serve with honor and distinction," Sessions added.

The attorney general also said it is a serious problem that minority communities are distrustful of police. And he called the difficulty in recruiting a "catastrophe."

"Only 30 percent of African-Americans say they have confidence in the police," Sessions said. "In the last three years, that number dropped by 5 points. This is a trend that we must reverse. This is important. We have to have good relationships with our communities, and we have to be effective at preventing crime in every community." [....]

She forgot Comey.

rmrd0000 — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:04:55 +0000

In reply to in Dowd's column for today,

She forgot Comey.

I am also glad that the head

CVille Dem — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:39:50 +0000

In reply to Yes, I have been following

I am also glad that the head of the Boy Scouts as well as one Police Chief pushed back on trump's crude jokes, the ridiculing of President Obama and Secretary Clinton, as well as the encouragement to behave unlawfully.

But don't forget that the 40,000 Boy Scouts (acting like sheep) cheered when he asked, and boo'ed when he crudely made jokes and insults. The police did the same thing, chuckling along with him and clapping when prompted

When even trump's cynical ability to stir the masses results in silence, we will know that our nation is healing. Until then, I don't think so.

sad

in Dowd's column for today,

artappraiser — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 19:35:45 +0000

In reply to NYPD, others repudiate Trump call for excessive force

in Dowd's column for today, makes the big picture point superbly succinctly about this speech:

In his speech, Trump encouraged police brutality and said he was “the big, big believer and admirer of the people in law enforcement, O.K.?” He said that he’s protecting the backs of law enforcement “100 percent.” Except for Sessions, Sally Yates, Preet Bharara and Robert Mueller.

I also like the choice of illustration for the title "President Trump’s Really Weak Week", it's Bosch, but I note which Bosch it is:

A detail from The Last Judgement, 1506-1508, by Hieronymus Bosch.
Credit DeAgostini/Getty Images

Please note paragraph 1: "I'd

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 18:49:27 +0000

In reply to It's possible that there is

Please note paragraph 1: "I'd like to think...", while paragraph 2 isn't even in the US, so no, not terribly optimistic.

It's possible that there is

ocean-kat — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:59:29 +0000

In reply to Yes, I have been following

It's possible that there is some change from the top down but I'm less optimistic than you or PP. All the repudiation came from the top while the rank and file that mostly made up the crowd at Trump's speech cheered and applauded at his encouragement of the use of excessive force. It's one thing for the top to repudiate a speech it's another to take action against the rank and file when someone acts with excessive force or even kills. I've yet to see much of that. Usually the top closes ranks and defends the abusive cop.

I'd like to think that this

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:01:00 +0000

In reply to Yes, I have been following

I'd like to think that this is a delayed result of embarrassment from last year when police went all macho instead of saying the obvious that shooting unarmed people and riding them around in the back of vans until their backs break is simply wrong, that cops' safety and public cooperation depends largely on the perception that 90%+ of cops are professional and playing by the rules, and the others will eventually pay for it. Muted reaction last year, more vocal this - it's a good change. Last year undermined a lot of police effort at public outreach, and the parade of smart phone videos hasn't been flattering (nor shooting the Australian reporting an assault and finding the obligatory video missing or not even turned on).

We had a case here where police pulled over a Muslim driver and insisted on her Muslim daughter showing I.d. the driver was a lawyer, and asked by what statute the cop was asking this info, and he answered he didn't have to remember every statute by memory, then dragged them to the station, searched everything, etc. This in a small city where the week before the chief of police was complaining the biggest excitement was grass growing. But at least it's being reported as something wrong, police overreach.

Yes, I have been following

artappraiser — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:31:31 +0000

In reply to NYPD, others repudiate Trump call for excessive force

Yes, I have been following this and it is striking and I am surprised. Not surprised that this is general policy but that so many would do this pushback against Trump. I was especially impressed at the quickness of the Suffolk (Long Island) P.D. pushback after his speech. Queens County of NYC and bordering Suffolk County of Long Island is notorious "Guiliani cop country," this is where so many white NYC cops live. When there is a NYC cop in trouble in the news, or a group organize turning their back on someone in authority or something along those lines, it seems eventually to come out that he/she lives there. My stereotype is busted, I think of the type of guy or gal that is a Trump fan, would not just excuse all Trump hyberpole, but secretly like it and be happy that he is saying it for them.

And then so many other organizations following suit. That they aren't being silent, not giving Trump a mulligan because they like the effect of having of the commander-in-chief come and issue scary bully threats.

It makes it hopeful that from the top down at least, in police science, we finally have a new paradigm developing. Maybe the problems we see are because 1) it takes time tor change to fully effect and 2) tough local budgets probably don't help quicken the change.