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@ The New Times they asked

artappraiser — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 16:41:10 +0000

In reply to The whole "better deal" spiel

@ The New Times they asked readers to come up with alternatives

AUG. 4, 2017

A common theme was clear as readers offered more than 1,200 alternatives to the Democrats’ new slogan, “A Better Deal”: The party needs to offer a positive, inclusive, empathetic message. Variations of “We the People” and “The Real Deal” were especially popular.

Democratic leaders, are you listening? [.....]

The whole "better deal" spiel

moat — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 16:01:29 +0000

In reply to Got a call from Democratic

The whole "better deal" spiel makes me want to go out and set something on fire. Worse than the enabling of Trump's language is the approval it gives to Gingrich's Contract On America. Or With, For, From or To America. Whatever.
Government is a collection of workers brought together to serve the sovereign will of the People. Not a used car salesman who wants to see you drive out in Buick today.

Bannon still has Mercer's

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 22:07:37 +0000

In reply to found it interesting along

Bannon still has Mercer's blessing, & unless Trump can dump Mercer completely for Koch Bros, he'll be brown-nosing the Mercers for some time to come. Someone has to pay the bills, and Pootie has run out of patients.

found it interesting along

artappraiser — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 21:51:54 +0000

In reply to Yes, announcing how they want

found it interesting along those lines that Bannon is still sticking to an eat-the-rich white populism thing, and he still hasn't been fired yet.

Of course he has little power compared to basically anyone else, much less Mnuchin and Cohn. But it's a warning that we might be surprised by similar things from certain segments of the GOP Congress.

We'll see, no sense getting into it now because whole tax topic coming to the internet tubes soon til we are sick of it..

Yes, announcing how they want

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 21:18:28 +0000

In reply to Democrats need to focus on

Yes, announcing how they want each constituency's vote and why is pretty basic.

Though talking about $15/hour and jobs programs now when it didn't work last year & instead the jackoff-in-chief and his henchmen are busy stripping the government of any copper or brass fittings just seems like Cluelessness 101. Oh, you mean white rural voters didn't realize these proposals were for them? Well, maybe we should reinstitute a Jim Crow poll test - for whites this time. "Too stupid to vote" on their drivers licenses... wear it with pride, dudes.

Democrats need to focus on

rmrd0000 — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 21:11:45 +0000

In reply to Got a call from Democratic

Democrats need to focus on minorities and women to increase turnout. They shouldn't ignore whites obviously, but they better tell minorities that they want their votes.

Got a call from Democratic

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 20:46:00 +0000

In reply to The black "candidates" were

Got a call from Democratic Congressional fundraising tonight, parroted that "white working class rural" thing or something close, along with the tepid New Improved Deal (for fuck's sake, don't they realize Trump started with "Art of the Deal" and the word is now relegated to the shitbin of history?). Anyway, I kind of cynically laughed off the ploy to acquiesce to these white rural voters and somehow split off Republicans - like really? LIike the 50% of whoever still contenet with that asshole Trump a few months into his corrupt inept obnoxious trainwreck? If I'd been more awake & animated, I would have given an earful. In any case, heard nothing that made me want to donate. (God, not even a mention of new organizing by women. Vanished.)

The black "candidates" were

rmrd0000 — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 19:25:39 +0000

In reply to Wait, so the establishment's

The black "candidates" were the ones who came under attack last week. An article from Politico gives a better perspective of name recognition of those black candidates. Name recognition of the three is very low. Blacks do feel left out because the Democrats have it made any direct appeal for their votes. Perez and Sanders focused on white working class voters. There has not been outreach to black communities. I don't understand why the lack of outreach wouldn't make individual black voters feel left out of the discussion.

Edit to add:

Part of the problem may be that when the white working class feels separated from the Democrats, we work on solutions. When blacks say that they feel separated from the party, their complaint is dismissed.

Wait, so the establishment's

Obey — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 18:13:18 +0000

In reply to Theodore R. Johnson is

Wait, so the establishment's three favorite candidates for 2020 are Patrick, Harris and Booker. Meanwhile the most visible leaders of the Left wing of the party are Keith Ellison, Nina Turner and Kimberley Ellis. And somehow blacks still feel left out?

Can someone insert a gif for exasperated confusion here. Thx

Theodore R. Johnson is

rmrd0000 — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 16:43:09 +0000

In reply to Why the next black president could be a Republican

Theodore R. Johnson is correct that historically Republicans get about 10% of the black vote. Recent Republican Presidential candidates have received less than that 10%. Johnson's research on the black vote was done before the era of Trump. Trump comes with racist baggage that includes housing discrimination, demanding the death penalty for the Central Park Five, race baiting-during the campaign, supporting voter suppression, aatacking affirmative action, etc..The number of black men inspired by Republican appeals to self-reliance are probably now overshadowed by the racism supported by the GOP.

Johnson suggests that Republicans will suppress their racist leanings and vote for a black Republican Presidential candidate if it means defeating a Democratic Presidential nominee. I wonder if Johnson remembers the can of behind whipping unleashed on Ben Carson by Trump and Cruz during the 2016 campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/22/why-is-ben-car...

Republicans nationwide will not abide a black President.

Democrats have their own issues with black voters. There has been zero outreach to the black community by the Democratic Partty. Many blacks see the Democratic Party as taking them for granted. The thing that keeps blacks from voting for Republicans is the racism that is included in the GOP brand. Last Monday was marked by an article in Mic suggesting Kamala Harris was not Progressive enough to pass muster. Ties to Wall Street were the deal breaker. Bernie supporters including RoseAnn DeMoro, head of the National Nurses Association, voiced skepticism about Harris. This led one analyst to wonder if DeMoro was speaking for white progressives only.

Last Thursday, an article by Ryan Cooper entitled "Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick appeared in The Week. None of the black Democrats passed the purity test. The disgruntled Progressives should note the Harris has female support in the black community that rivals the Beyhive. So far, the opposition to the aforementioned black Democrats seems vocal but small. Democrats have to make an effort to reach out to black voters. The first thing that black voters heard after the election was a suggestion that Democrats needed to reject identity politics. Now blacks are hearing some Progressives attack respected black Democrats. Blacks need positive message from the DNC. So far, Democratic leadership has not had a loud, persistent voice.