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The secession was because

rmrd0000 — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 19:18:59 +0000

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The secession was because slavery was not going to be expanded. They wanted to leave to be free to own slaves and see the practice conducted in other states. Other slave owning states had no problem with not expanding slavery. West Virginia broke off from Virginia.

A very valid and important

artappraiser — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:50:28 +0000

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A very valid and important point. Another: they lost the war they fought to do that, signed a series of surrenders,. and verified those by thereafter electing and sending representatives to U.S. federal government as if they were once again part of the union of United States of America.

The Confederacy wasnt trying

sean atchinson — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:47:15 +0000

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The Confederacy wasnt trying to overthrow the US government.

It was trying to secede. Two totally different things.

Yep, and the Nazis wanted to

Michael Wolraich — Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:10:37 +0000

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Yep, and the Nazis wanted to save Germany, and Bolsheviks wanted to build a Communist utopia. There is always a sweet motive to mask the bitter taste of tyranny and hate.

(Post printing-press, I might add.)

p.s. Actually on second

artappraiser — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:08:28 +0000

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p.s. Actually on second thought, I should do the nuance thing that I have purported to support here in the past. I vaguely recall reading recent scholarship where the scholar studied all the property deeds and plots related to the main characters of the whole sad story and lo and behold, he found evidence that some of the more, er, rabidly prosecutorial might have had, er, capital gain influences driving their passion agin witches.In which case, my main point still stands: the devil at work there, too! I think if the majority had understood that, those guys would have been boiled, too.

(My excuse: I'm a big believer in the idea that the Enlightenment really was a major change in the way humans think. Nothing I've studied since my 20's has changed my mind about that. It was an incredible thing, that came out of the printing press and grew by leaps and bounds as soon as paper publications became more available. Like Maiello has been promoting: written language, it's important!)

And I think that's not funny

artappraiser — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:21:15 +0000

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And I think that's not funny and not fake history! Their heritage: fighting the devil. They did not see the witches as at fault, they saw them as possessed by the enemy, it was infiltration by the devil. They were trying to save the witches' souls, not their lives. And it most definitely was longstanding culture wars, too: the Catholic papists were agents of the devil as well. They were trying to protect their little utopia in the new world so it could flower and grow but the devil was trying to stop them.

Fake history! Most of the

Michael Wolraich — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:56:10 +0000

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Fake history! Most of the very fine people of Salem, Mass. were not anti-witch. They were freedom fighters who wanted to protect their proud Christian heritage!

Excellent post, Danny.

Doctor Cleveland — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 05:19:30 +0000

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Excellent post, Danny.

You don't want to get me started on he Witch Trials, but I will add two things that help the analogy.

First, none of the witch persecutors from 1692 get statues, even if something else they did would normally earn them a statue. Because participating in the witch trials is disqualifying, no matter what else you did.

Take the lead in inoculating New England against smallpox, overcoming benighted superstition and saving countless lives? Good for you, but no statue, because you're also tainted by the witch trials.

Write the first anti-slavery tract published in America? (Before 1700 ... way ahead of the curve.) we'd love to celebrate you, but sorry ... witch trials. We just can't bring you up.

Some things just take you out of the monument discussion.

Second, the witch trial judges, like the Confederate officers, had a choice. No one else made them do this. There were a number of other judges who were asked to serve in the Salem thing and outright refused. History is not an excuse in either case; other people made different choices.

Thanks for an excellent post.

rmrd0000 — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 15:29:07 +0000

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Thanks for an excellent post. There are no statues to courageous Nazi soldiers in Germany. Germans have a better grasp of their history. Slavery was the birth defect of the United States of America. Donald Trump wants to continue to celebrate an eil institution. People who voted for Trump and people who continue to support Trump cannot argue that they did not know that Trump was a racist. David Duke was overjoyed that Trump won.

Edit to add:

Trump waited to get the "facts" on Charlottesville. He had an immediate response when non-white people carried out an attack in Barcelona.

http://www.theroot.com/trumps-swift-response-to-terrorist-attacks-in-spa...

Excellent points.

NCD — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 15:23:39 +0000

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Excellent points.

I was going to add that if witch trials were deemed useful to get out the crackpot Republican base they would be promoted as necessary to keep us safe by Republicans at election time.

Then I realized they already had gone there, See "comet pizza satanic rituals".

Republicans ate up the Comet Pizza satanic rituals story on Hillary. Culminating with the armed attack on Comet Pizza by a 'white hero' from North Carolina.

Showing how effective big lies are when combined with an ignorant, cognitively impaired, easily incited mob of angry racists, bigots and haters.