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I don't see any political

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:34:00 +0000

In reply to It's not about my tears - I'm

I don't see any political motivations on the plea deal and the suggested sentence therein. I do see a man who thinks of other people as his playthings, and who thinks others should be made to adhere to a rigid moral code that does not apply to him because he's special. Again, what I have seen about his behavior, he frightens me. If this sentence doesn't reform his attitude about being above morals and law, at least it will ensure that he never has much power over others again.

About the girl being entrapment bait: catching them before they do real damage, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with doing that with possible sex offenders, even the whole TV show thing. What is wrong is isolating them from society after they get out, because most of them don't repeat. Yes, there is the danger of what is forbidden makes it more exciting. That is a price we have to pay. We don't stop forbidding murder because it makes it more exciting to some serial killers.

He seemed a slightly milder

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:23:00 +0000

In reply to p.s. Call it schaudenfraud if

He seemed a slightly milder form of asshole than Rahm Emmanuel, but what do I know, you know the NYC culture & figures

But the WhoWhatWhere article is interesting. I'm still waiting for something besides sentencing to come out of that, but that's probably tied into the whole Russian investigation. Even now I greatly suspect there's some other related news that's not making it out yet.

But at the moment Breitbart is taking a victory lap - that should scare you more than Weiner

("schadenfraud" - nice neologism, right up there with "frankenweenie")

p.s. Call it schaudenfraud if

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:14:37 +0000

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p.s. Call it schaudenfraud if you wish. But I've read up on the man for years and he has truly always scared the heck out of me as someone who thinks he is above the law because he thinks he's better smarter and wiser than anyone else and thinks everyone else should be subject to all kinds of nanny state laws except him. Perfect textbook example of someone who needs to be "made an example." He likes to push the envelope and see what he can get away with, to prove his superiority. I actually think the sentence is merciful, it is a last ditch attempt to see if he can be fixed as a human being before he does something far more dangerous And I furthermore suspect he knows it and that he is saveable only if he is treated as toughly as he would treat others.

It's not about my tears - I'm

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:09:41 +0000

In reply to He knew that might be the

It's not about my tears - I'm sick of arbitrary justice, and the legal system used for political takedowns. I don't particularly care about Weiner or his political start in this case - they way Chuck Johnson & others engineered all this is part of my big issue, and then pile on that a to me unusual sentence considering all the rapists and such who walk every day.... Yeah, they made their point, but it has little to do with online sexting and more to do with "we can use the FBI and other parts of government to get to anyone". Maybe it's not as bad as on of Putin's hits because Weiner's such a goddamned idiot, but I don't take much of it at face value.

He knew that might be the

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:59:32 +0000

In reply to Wanking Weiner

He knew that might be the sentence when he did the plea agreement, it was stated. The sentence was crafted for one person only, Anthony Weiner. He nonetheless was trying to see if he could get away with convincing the judge not to execute that. Why not, I guess, you never know what you can get away with. The judge agreed with the two (female) prosecutors and the plea agreement: And then there's the "do unto Anthony as he would do unto others" thing, from the Times Sept. 20 report, (my underlining):

In Mr. Weiner’s plea agreement, prosecutors had said a sentence within the range of 21 to 27 months would be “fair and appropriate.”

In its memo to Judge Cote, of Federal District Court in Manhattan, the government also noted that Mr. Weiner, while in Congress in 2007, co-sponsored the “Keeping the Internet Devoid of Sexual Predators Act,” a bill to require sex offenders to register their email addresses and instant-messaging accounts. The prosecutors said Mr. Weiner had, in public remarks, said “the internet is the predator’s venue of choice today.”

“Notwithstanding that he obviously grasped the importance of protecting minors from predatory conduct on the internet,” the prosecutors wrote, Mr. Weiner “readily engaged in extensive, inappropriate communications” with the girl. Such conduct, the prosecutors said, “suggests a dangerous level of denial and lack of self-control,” warranting a prison sentence.

I think he was crying in recognition that he would recommend this sentence if he were on the other side. Weiner always struck me as more Inspector Javert than Jean Valjean, as someone who really needs to learn to feel other's pain. He has scared me way back with his zealotry and hypocrisy when he was on the city council, he is a ruthless person, who will stop at nothing to get what he wants or needs or believes: The woman Anthony Weiner smeared speaks out The victim of the race-baiting attack that launched his political career talks to Salon, June 10, 2011. If I were the judge, I would look at the facts here of repeat offending and agreement to a plea and see a player in every sense of the word and say no, I'm not buying your tears. It is about who gets favorable treatment and who doesn't, that is precisely what it is about.

I think they have a way of

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:52:29 +0000

In reply to My initial thought was she

I think they have a way of playing it both ways, that he didn't know her age but should have, or that he thought she was underage even when she wasn't which makes him still guilty. Anyway, I was hoping this would be cleared up.

"The alleged 15-year-old

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:50:00 +0000

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"The alleged 15-year-old victim of Anthony Weiner’s sexting escapades lives in Gastonia, North Carolina. Coincidentally or not, Lara and Eric Trump visited the local GOP office in Gastonia just three days before her TV appearance." - WhoWhatWhere

And just coincidentally a bunch of Abedin's and thus Hillary's emails appear on Weiner's laptop, and Trump's team of course is ready to tweet this out within hours of pussygate, with Giuliani bragging about his crew inside the FBI feeding him the inside dope on the case.

If the FBI is willing to set up dumb kids with explosives to frame them for "terrorism", I've no doubt there could be malfeasance in this. How a "liberal" judge as AA says fits in, not sure, but if the girl's motives are not allowed in court, I'm guessing Weiner didn't get a very sympathetic ear on any of the evidence.

There's another possibility I'll wait on relating to why Weiner wasn't charged until now.

My initial thought was she

HSG — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:48:50 +0000

In reply to Here was Alternet's followup,

My initial thought was she was getting instructions from an adult - hence my suspicion that this whole case smells of entrapment. But the prosecutor says Weiner knew her age. I think we agree this is a critical question.

Here was Alternet's followup,

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:30:11 +0000

In reply to That's fair. Mens rea is

Here was Alternet's followup, wondering how this 15-year-old is quoting passages from Bukowski and transgressionis writer Chuck Palahniuk, along with reminding that Weiner actually was catfished several times. (yes, it should have clued him in to go offline, but weak personalities are known to be weak....)

That's fair. Mens rea is

HSG — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:36:04 +0000

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That's fair. Mens rea is critical in this case.