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I don’t see what message

rmrd0000 — Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:30:03 +0000

In reply to 46% thinks media makes up

I don’t see what message would get through to Trump supporters. They have their own reality.

46% thinks media makes up

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:27:13 +0000

In reply to CNN has done several

46% thinks media makes up stuff about Trump. You just can't beat this stuff back with a weed whacker.

White House operatives

artappraiser — Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:02:17 +0000

In reply to I went to school with the Vegas shooter

White House operatives working along same lines:

Internal White House documents allege manufacturing decline increases abortions, infertility, and spousal abuse

By Damian Paletta, Oc. 17, 8:34 pm

White House officials working on trade policy were alarmed last month when a top adviser to President Trump circulated a two-page document that alleged a weakened manufacturing sector leads to an increase in abortion, spousal abuse, divorce and infertility, two people familiar with the matter said.

The documents, which were obtained by The Washington Post, were prepared and distributed by Peter Navarro, director of the White House Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy. They were presented without any data or information to back up the assertions, and reveal some of the materials the Trump administration reviewed as it was crafting its trade policy.

Two administration officials confirmed the authenticity of the documents, which have emerged as the administration has threatened to withdraw from a free trade agreement with South Korea and is taking a hard-line stance against Canada and Mexico in renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement [....]

The Trump supporters in those

rmrd0000 — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:11:43 +0000

In reply to AA, you constantly point out

The Trump supporters in those Oprah snippets fit what you call “my stereotype”. The first guy loves what Trump is doing. Another guy supports him “despite the tweets”.They all say poor old Trump is misunderstood. They are who I said they were. How are you missing what is staring you in the face?

Edit to add:

The Trump supporters equate the white supremacists to those who protested the axis.

I provide data supporting my position. I show polls and the words from the snippets you provide. Because you want to ignore what the Trump supporters are saying, you accuse me of proganda. Nonsense times two.

AA, you constantly point out

rmrd0000 — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:23:16 +0000

In reply to Rmrd, you consistently use

AA, you constantly point out what you perceive as my flaws. I don’t stereotype, I simply point ou what people say. You say that I classify all Trump voters as evil. You provide a link that you suggest indicates something different than I suggest. Yet there in the snippet is are the Trump supporters agreeing with Trump that “both sides do it” Your snippet verifies that they think Trump is taken out of context. Do you agree with them that Trump was taken out of context.

Can you provide a link where these Trump supporters are debating each other and disagreeing with his stance on immigration, health care, voter suppression, etc? What I have seen is that many are angry that the immigrants haven’t been booted out. I point out the hat burners. You counter with your opinion. Trump numbers fell in the South, not because they think he is bonkers, but because the foreigners haven’t been booted out. Show me data that says that I am not correct.

I show data that says that a majority of Trump supporters have racial bias and are xenophobic. You have no data to counter that fact. You divert to saying that I am calling all Trump supporters racists. The diversion is all you have. The bulk of the data supports my characterization of Trump voters.

Please show me data that supports your analysis that all Trump voters can’t be lumped together. Show me the Trump supporters who are objecting to the racist voter suppression program conducted by the GOP. That would show that all Trump voters are not racists. But we really aren’t talking about ALL Trump voters, we are talking about the majority. You want to divert the discussion from that fact.

Please point me to the link that shows Trump supports actively objecting to voter suppression.

If I’m cynical, it is because I remember people telling us how Ivanka and Jared would act as a balance to Trump in the White House. We now no that Ivanka and Jared are as flawed as Trump. Trump supporters Support the unsupportable. But I’m certain there are some very good people among them.

I said 30 minutes. Okay, a

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:50:00 +0000

In reply to Come on PP, you're better

I said 30 minutes. Okay, a few classes would be fine for "place in the universe". But then they'll still spend 2 fucking months on volcanoes in high school geography, when few will ever see an active or inactive volcano and aside from an earth-changing eruption every 75 million years, they're far down on the "pressing needs" list.

Same with planets and such - great for inspiration when we had a man-made space program; now that we're sending probes to space, it's much more about the physics of motion and telecommunications, and not memorizing the names of constellations and planets even but knowing how they pull on each other and how solar flares work - hey, it's kind of cool that our solar system now has 8 or 12 planets, depending on how you count, but it's really for a tiny subset of human occupation, and it could be done as free time like football and chorus and....

Psychology? we don't teach how the mind works anywhere in grades K-12. Interpreting human mannerisms? Nowhere. Teams? well,no - we make groups and hope they work out (which they usually don't), but we don't teach about successful and unsuccessful teams anywhere, whether in regular curriculum or as part of external activities. Coaches may scream about it,but even then it's about running patterns, taking out the linebacker, not hogging the ball and cheering/spiking the ball occasionally. If anything our teamwork and bullying is getting worse.

What else useful in everyday life do we ignore?

well, we touch on sanitation in kindergarten, maybe more and more in health, but still pretty paltry. Lots of math - years and years - largely disconnected from any practical use. Why are you balancing those equations? what's a derivative or integral good for? what practical problems should you be using statistics & analytics for?

Money - it will occupy our lives perhaps the most over our lives, and now it's all being virtualized, yet we haven't come up with a new treatment in 200 years (yes, I'm pretty sure they had piggy banks of some sort back in Napoleon's age, at least for the uber-riche)

Physical Education - there's been a revolution in running techniques, knowledge of body & exercise, healthy ways of promoting life-long activity. How much of that makes it into K-12 PE classes, vs. "hey, here's a ball, go hit it around the gym and I'll go flirt with the other coach."

Did you know the brontosaurus is actually an apatosaurus mislabeled, and that ostriches stick their head in sand to turn eggs, not escape their predators (they can run 45 mph) , and no self-respected frog will sit meekly by to be boiled to death without hopping out of the pan - even the stuff we were supposedly learning was half nonsense. And we're years past into complex genetics and earth science and nanotech and.....

While it's admirable to learn cosmology and our place in it, it should be obvious that our country is rather scornful of facts. How is it that we're so deficient in science and other fields, so susceptible to chicanery?

Sexism - while we at least have some idea how to address racial equality, we have boys and girls in classes together for years and years, and I don't see any instructional or group approaches that address the development of these sexist values and work on replacing stalking & other creepy behavior as the basic way of interacting with the other sex. The Camille Paglia article was a nice antidote to too much boggled PC fancy thinking, but at the same time it's entirely Italian-based (we know those stereotypes), and yet we have a Trump & Harvey Weinstein thing going, and we can't trace back any responsibility to our educational or lack-of-educational system? I simply mean, we're monkeys that crawled down from the trees - I don't expect us to have a GPS map to Starbucks yet, but we can look around and say, "hey, this is basic shit we used to do up in the branches - and it doesn't really fit here in this Brave New World!!!" Instead, 1820's education keeps churning ahead.

Come on PP, you're better

ocean-kat — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 06:24:29 +0000

In reply to Yeah, the British system for

Come on PP, you're better than this. It's not about dinosaurs, planets or volcanoes. It's about learning to read and trying to give 6, 7, etc. year old children some sense of the world, solar system, and the immensity of time. Some sense of their place in the cosmos that they can understand at that age. And, unfortunately, something shorn of politics, sex, and religion, anything controversial, because of the diverse nature of the belief systems of the children's parents.

What would you have those 6 year old kids read, The Student As Nigger? So they'd have the intellectual tools to self direct their own education?

Yeah, the British system for

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:12:32 +0000

In reply to I shudder at those stories

Yeah, the British system for one makes you pick a narrowly defined subject area and stay there. I was the one always picking bizarre electives or trying to mash up degrees in strange combinations. And the thing is, modern settings require that in many ways. It's one thing to put up pretty graphics on a website, but if you can't deal with SEO or Google/Facebook analytics or put a snippet of Javascript behind it, what could be a 1-person job takes 2 or 3 people, and our economic direction just isn't support that kind of excess frivolity anymore.

Education is coming in for a reckoning - what is useful in class, in person, on-line. Self-serve and. guided. People who like videos and people who hate them, and other ways of learning. 16 years of education, but it's part socialization, yet perhaps that most important part is the least expertly dealt with, while 1st graders studying dinosaurs and planets and volcanoes is some kind of shared irrelevance - things that will almost certainly never touch your life, and could be handled as an aside in a half hour.

Actually if the government is

artappraiser — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:09:40 +0000

In reply to My niece, from Slovanija came

Actually if the government is not corrupt and rife with nepotism or similar (like NYC bureaucracy, hah) good qualified people probably get into most jobs like your first niece. Just because: what good would it do to sabotage society by putting the wrong people in them? What I don't like is how they are stuck in that decision for life, when there's little opportunity to change, renew, start on something else, because the system doesn't provide for it. It just contributes to thinking of work as drudgery and bleak existence, where there is no change.

Your comment also makes me think the decent mixed system we once had was best, where some public colleges have as good a reputation as private. Sure, wealthy tribes will always try to stick together and may at times run rampant in like, the State Dept., but eventually they need fresh blood, too. It runs in cycles, when the upper class tribals get too inbred, they know they can't keep it going that way. Usually someone bests em first anyways.

And you know, I think that is the best way with health care too, have national health and then if people want to pay for private, allow it. Yes, it gives preference to the wealthy, but hey, they aren't going away AND profit-driven medicine is very often a rip-off, hah!

Rmrd, you consistently use

artappraiser — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:57:01 +0000

In reply to AA, when Trump tried to make

Rmrd, you consistently use terminology that stereotypes tribes. It's how you say things that I don't agree with. Declarative statements that: all blacks think this, and: all Trump voters think that.All blacks are good and wonderful and all Trump voters are evil. It's simply not true! All blacks do not think alike. I have black relatives that would not agree with what you say they believe. I know as well that all Trump voters do not think alike, I've even seen them debate each other.

For you to consistently suggest otherwise signfiies to me: agitprop coming, ignore.

I know you are free to go on with your rah rah agitprop: support this group, hate that group, but don't expect me to find it agreeable or trust anything else you say. Because to me it's just straight out lying! I'm not into that kind of politicking. I'm into finding nuance and understanding the "other", the individual others.

I am actually amazed that you don't see how you are one of the major types contributing to the divisiveness of this country with your angry rhethoric. It's like you want to increase the tribalism and set each group further against each other. Sorry but that's how I see a lot of what you write here. You put individuals in groups and label them all the same and then try to agitate for war between them. To me it's not that different from judging people alike by the color of their skin.