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weird synchronicity here on

artappraiser — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:35:31 +0000

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weird synchronicity here on several topics, if Michael ever checks this thread, I would think he'd want to know about this book if he already doesn't, it sounds right up his alley (not the review, but the book itself):

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/brad-snyder-house-of-truth-review-gutzon-borglum-liberalism-confederacy

Our patriots, on the other

artappraiser — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 00:56:17 +0000

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Our patriots, on the other hand, agreed to disagree from the start, for example with the Hamilton in a toga in the NY Stock Exchange by historian Stephen Knott @ Politico, just published

[....] A ferocious newpaper war raged throughout the 1790s, with America’s political factions accusing each other of betraying the “Spirit of 1776.” Hamilton’s Federalists were convinced that Jefferson’s Democratic-Republicans were devotees of all things French, including Godless atheism, while Jefferson and his followers believed that Federalists were intent on restoring the British throne. Hamilton was “bewitched and perverted by the British example” and favored a “monarchy bottomed on corruption,” Jefferson alleged.

But there was another front in this bitter war: Statuary. While Jefferson and his followers tended to oppose monuments devoted to any of the nation’s founders—such effects were were trappings of monarchy, Jefferson maintained—they were positively apoplectic over any suggestion that Hamilton was worthy of commemoration. In the aftermath of Hamilton’s duel with Vice President Aaron Burr in July, 1804, Jefferson and his lieutenants were concerned that the emotional response to Hamilton’s death might lead to the erection of statues celebrating a man they despised. John Armstrong, a Jeffersonian lieutenant, reported to James Madison from New York City four days after the duel that “the public sympathy is a good deal excited for Hamilton and his family, whether this is spontaneous or artificial I do not know, but it probably partakes of both characters.” The city of New York “took the direction and assumed the expense of his funeral, and the English interest talk of erecting a statue to his memory,” Armstrong reported.

Armstrong’s dreaded “English interest” succeeded in erecting a marble statue of a toga-wearing Hamilton in 1835. The sculpture was placed in the rotunda of the New York Stock Exchange, and was the first marble statue produced in the United States. In the minds of Jefferson’s heirs, the fact that a statue of Hamilton graced the New York Stock Exchange simply confirmed his role as the founding plutocrat. The idea that Hamilton was the champion of wealth and privilege would be invoked for decades by Democratic Party politicians long after Hamilton’s death [...]

Democracy:MESSY! Trains don't run on time and people hate each other and actually say so....

For sure! Everyone's got to

artappraiser — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:50:20 +0000

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For sure! Everyone's got to be on the same narrative for that whole thing to work! The signs and symbols tell you the story!

Or as the author of my link calls it: "domain consensus"

The fact the DPRK still exists at all is, in no small part, testimony to the genius of the hagiographies of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il, and the men and women who wrote them. They are the foundation upon which the edifice of North Korean cultural orthodoxy has been raised. Yet the ground is shifting, even as the state seeks new ways to maintain “domain consensus”. It may be too late. If so, as it was in the beginning with Tangun and with Kim Il-sung, Korean time will begin again, with new stories waiting to be told.

True patriots that love their

ocean-kat — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:44:57 +0000

In reply to Protesters Deface Teddy Roosevelt Statue Outside NYC Nat. History Museum (turns out he was evil?!)

True patriots that love their country don't allow their country's historical statues to be defaced.

Well, Kalashnikov is a badass

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:12:26 +0000

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Well, Kalashnikov is a badass - can't deny engineering talent. Ivan & Joe, not so much, unless "Engineer of Souls" is really a technical accreditation. BTW, Josef Škvorecky's book of the same name isn't bad.

Thought of related side issue

artappraiser — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:14:44 +0000

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Thought of related side issue, did some googling. Is interesting that with the whole Putin Russian nationalist thing, not only do they have the huge new Ivan the Terrible monument that you posted a story on a while back, they have a brand new monster one of Kalashnikov in Moscow and 10 new monuments to Stalin since 2012.

first, let me say I adore

artappraiser — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:00:35 +0000

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first, let me say I adore that "time to get shit done" clip!

Then let me just say that I thought right away that this could be counterops to make lefties look bad. I looked at the manifesto link and it is so over the top it like conservative parodies of political correctness, also reminds me of some SDS literature of my youth.It is like the imaginings of Rush Limbaugh of a left that doesn't exist any more one that he is still getting old conservatives all riled up about.

But then I thought no way this could be Russian ops precisely because: Putin wants to be the Teddy Roosevelt persona! Talks softly, carries a big stick, manly man, rough riding, hunting and fishin, wrassling alligators or whatever, forcing troublesome peoples to calm down, and intellectual to boot. Proving you are the bestest smartest manliest manly man stock in the world, a bull moose, and your people along with you, they are the A-team, will protect the weak third world peoples and other weak types like disabled and kittens and puppies, but only if they deserve it. Unfortunately Pootie can't see that the rest of the world doesn't see a TR, they still just see: a shifty KGB guy.

Of course, as we have seen, that is no guarantee that Russians might be involved because: they are most definitely not the A-team, their ops are sort of clueless bout 'Merican culture. And that goes for back to Soviet days, now that I think on it. Their spies, they just don't get us. So nope, this can't be a Russian op. That's not to say that if this group could talk the right game, they might get a donation from same.

An actual crowd gathered to

rmrd0000 — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:20:06 +0000

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An actual crowd gathered to protest the statue in October 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/11/museum-natural-history-theodore-roosevelt-statue-protest

Could be.

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 14:13:00 +0000

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Could be.

Genghis on (in) the Hudson

LOL

rmrd0000 — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:33:50 +0000

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LOL

Supposedly, there are more than 8000 police surveillance cameras in NYC. Perhaps one or more caught the Monumentors in action.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/649825/more-than-8000-cameras-streets-nyc-are-used-by-police-find-suspects