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It;s the nuance thing:

artappraiser — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 23:23:03 +0000

In reply to Spain moves to take over Catalonia after region declares independence

It's the nuance thing:

Flawed, oversimplified narratives are driving both sides.

By Lisa Abend @ TheAtlantic.com, Oct 29

I think people are partly trained to do this in high school or earlier, rooting for their sports team. Pep rallies are evil. Teaching them passion about patriotism to tribe, presuming that it is a natural human condition and that it might go the wrong route if not trained to do with a fake tribe complete with hierarchies and a mythological mascot.

People should be fans of a talent, not fans of a team or tribe thick-or-thin do-or-die just because

Sub-cultures are easily maintained within a different nation state, there's ample evidence in history for millenia.And quite happily if there is general policy of tolerance. Too bad when consideration of creating a new separate nation state is based upon myths rather than realities of "is it going to cause practical good for us or practical bad for us?"

And I definitely don't buy the shared genes argument. Evolution requires mixing of genes.

All I ask is a legal

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 06:21:03 +0000

In reply to lotsa coverage @ The Guardian

All I ask is a legal referendum. A Putin-inspired minority mob to rip another chunk out of the EU is not a direction I can support.

Of course this map showing (encouraging?) every grotto with a gripe does not make for an easy path for the EU to maneuver - -it's difficult enough with 25 or 26 equal voices from tiny Malta to Germany, covering diverse tastes from the lowest Ruthenian to the loftiest Parisian. The EU isn't a movable feast - it's a model for economic and democratic convenience - not as inspired as the US' constitution, nor as wacko. Keep Saxony and Occitan and upper Lombardy on simmer - nobody's going anywhere, and the EU doesn't have a model for simple re-accession, so multiple independence movements will leave the community looking like a bloc os Swiss cheese.

Where is our Lincoln?

lotsa coverage @ The Guardian

artappraiser — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:32:05 +0000

In reply to Spain moves to take over Catalonia after region declares independence

lotsa coverage @ The Guardian, of course, here's the main article:

Spanish PM dissolves Catalan parliament and calls fresh elections

Political crisis deepens after secessionist MPs vote to create ‘Catalan republic as an independent and sovereign state’