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No, I mean Jekyll & Hyde late

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:19:00 +0000

In reply to Isn't that what he basically

No, I mean Jekyll & Hyde late Victorian Londontown ruffians, not some yuppie wannabe post-wall types. Bonus points for old style opium dens.

[PS - reading the 1 female Moscow journalist's description of how Taibbi & primarily his partner (Ames?) took her down is quite disconcerting - at some point this wild wild west fun stuff takes real live victims, and afaik Taibbi hasn't done very well in owning this, and a lot of people on the left credit him as beng some poet genius cause his articles confirm much of their preferred stance, even though the specific biases show.]

[PPS - the humiliation of women is an ongoing thing that will take lifetimes to figure out and partly correct. Putting young ladies in bunny outfits is infantilizing, but men's great works are often achieved through dragging along some unempowered female. "Eyes Wide Shut" or "Story of O" as male playground, or "Apocalypse Now" where women appear just to be some icing & eye candy... The list of women you provided earlier "involved" in politics were all pretty much as compromised or bit players, secretaries sleeping with bosses, occasionally promoted to 2nd or 3rd wife, or the Profumo model Keeler sleeping with both Russian & UK officials as part of sex parties held for the most powerful dudes... aside from a handful of women, some in key positions, you might say overall females aren't playing a too impressive role in the scheme of things, and despite all the clamoring, it's not clear that a majority actually want to...]

Isn't that what he basically

artappraiser — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:02:22 +0000

In reply to I think I've figured out how

Isn't that what he basically did? That's sort of how I see it. I.E., there's a big young male boor audience, let's capture and feed it with these Russian wild west stories.

Go ahead with your adventure stories, just leave humiliation of women out of it.

It reminded me of member Emma Zahn here once describing to me of the "wolf pack" over at Kevin Drum's place in the early blogosphere descending upon her because of something she said and tying it all into her being female.

I see wolf pack behavior as sharing the basis of what leads to high school gang rapes, not kidding. The internet bully stories do resound with me.

I think I've figured out how

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 07:03:03 +0000

In reply to Mho, Kathy Lally' Dec. 15 has

I think I've figured out how to make money with a club for boorish behavior. Sounds quaint, like 1890's parlor society.

Mho, Kathy Lally' Dec. 15 has

artappraiser — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 03:01:25 +0000

In reply to Social Media Sucks and Taibbi and Ames Are Not Rapists

Mho, Kathy Lally's Dec. 15 WaPo piece has got the real goods on Taibbi being a gross sexist pig and bully back then. Yeah, he apologized, and it has nothing to so with sexual assault and rape. But I'm all for shaming men about this kind of behavior, no matter how long ago it happened, and to have them disavow it now in public. (Especially figures that play male role models of some kind, which really doesn't fit Taibbi.) May they teach their sons to act different because they have shame about their youth...

Love you, Flavor Flavius!

Michael Maiello — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 04:08:47 +0000

In reply to Fascinating. I'm awed by the

Love you, Flavor Flavius!

Fascinating. I'm awed by the

Flavius — Mon, 06 Nov 2017 01:44:11 +0000

In reply to Oh, I don’t care what Mark

Fascinating. I'm awed by the consistently reasonable ,thought- provoking exchanges.

Congratulations to all.

(Pretentious I know but just calling a spade a spade.)

Oh, I don’t care what Mark

Michael Maiello — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:18:54 +0000

In reply to Fox News to the rescue: Trump

Oh, I don’t care what Mark thinks. Thumb to the eye, figure four, and it’s over. Whooooo!

Fox News to the rescue: Trump

Michael Wolraich — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:22:54 +0000

In reply to Social Media Sucks and Taibbi and Ames Are Not Rapists

Fox News to the rescue: Trump critic Matt Taibbi facing backlash over Russia memoir

PS Public outrage is always selective and often hypocritical. That's why public outrage sucks.

PPS I told Mark what you said about him, and boy is he pissed.

You have to read the whole

Michael Maiello — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 16:14:50 +0000

In reply to Ames and Taibbi wrote a book

You have to read the whole book in context and also to realize that the satire in the Exile wasn't really aimed at an American audience, or even a contemporary Russian audience. This was all about a very specific scene in Moscow around the time that western entrepreneurs and fortune seekers were working with Russian oligarchs to make fortunes as Putin rose to power. It was a huge frontier market where the rhetoric from the west was all about the virtues of capitalism as these guys saw a kleptocracy rise around them...

Suffice it to say, it'd be easier to recognize the satireif we were the Exile's target audience, but the joke seems to be that they were lampooning a western stereotype of sexually available Russian women who were also looked down on be western women in and outside of Moscow, who Ames and Taibbi described with much contempt.

Look, I can't defend the quality of the satire. I've certainly read better comedy, but I can understand the intent.

Well, there's James Fret's

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 15:18:00 +0000

In reply to Ames and Taibbi wrote a book

Well, there's James Frey's "Million Little Pieces" as reference bullshit. Who knows. Me, I.m Tyler Durden, honest.