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Michael Moore is on Real Time

rmrd0000 — Sat, 11 Nov 2017 03:31:43 +0000

In reply to Victory for 3rd Way Democrats?

Michael Moore is on Real Time tonight. His advise is not to chase after Trump supporters. He feels that if Trump supporters are still with Trump after Charlottesville etc., those voters are gone. Michael Moore suggests that Democrats focus on their base and the folks who didn’t vote..

Charles Blow expressed his

rmrd0000 — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 22:01:39 +0000

In reply to I’ll let the Roland Martin

Charles Blow expressed his joy over the victory Democrats experienced in Virginia. He also notes that some Democrats were yammering about identity politics being bad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/opinion/resistance-trump-virginia-republicans.html?_r=0

I’ll let the Roland Martin

rmrd0000 — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:49:14 +0000

In reply to You were complaining that

I’ll let the Roland Martin interview speak for itself. Perez knew that there was an enthusiasm gap and brought in forces. Likely black voters were in the 60% range in August when people were “already running”. Democrats put boots on the ground. There was a surge in black voters. We won’t know how much of a surge for several months. You need money for campaigns. The Democrats infused money.

Black enthusiasm was down. From the WaPo

—BlackPAC officials say they will concentrate on voters who aren’t likely to show up at the polls.—

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/blackpac-plans-11-million-effort-to-mobilize-african-american-voters-in-virginia/2017/09/20/bd034546-9e36-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.c86eb7dbb9d0

Black voters who were threatening to stay home were the ones targeted. Again, listen to Perez’s words.

Edit to add:

From what I was reading it did not appear that the leadership was doing enough. It turns out that they did have a game plan. They did realize that people were threatening to stay home.

You were complaining that

artappraiser — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:16:03 +0000

In reply to AA, the Democratic Party did

You were complaining that they weren't doing it for weeks and months. The point: these candidates were already running. They are part of "the party" Contradicts your contentions. Minorities were already active in the party. Not at all left out of it!!!

My only point with political parties, the way they work is that the reach needs to go the other way, you want action from a political party, you get active in that party. You don't threaten to sit and wait for the party to come to you.

Later, when election time rolls around, the political parties in a huge country like this one will target GOTV monies to swing districts. For districts where it doesn't matter to the results how many in it come out and vote, where the results are basically pre-ordained, the parties will not waste efforts there.

I am done. Let me be clear: Say what you like, let the readers of comments decide. I am not trying to convince you of anything, not trying to debate. Trying to analyze the situation, not trying to persuade anybody of anything, I am not an activist. Push any meme you like, people can decide for themselves.

AA, the Democratic Party did

rmrd0000 — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:14:33 +0000

In reply to here's the just say no to

AA, the Democratic Party did do outreach because black people complained. That was the point of the Politico article you posted. I provided a link to interview of DNC chair Perez with Roland Martin. Perez specifically noted that Democrats had to step up outreach because their was an enthusiasm gap in the black community.He mentioned the criticisms the DNC received from black women. The Democratic Party responded with outreach. Preliminary data suggests black turnout rose by 7-8%. The enthusiasm gap and threat to stay home worked.

Perez had to support black outreach in order for Democrats to win. The party had to make monetary commitments.

Here is the link to Roland Martin’s interview with Tom Perez. You can listen to Perez addressing the enthusiasm gap in the black community and the effort put in by the Democratic Party.

https://blackamericaweb.com/2017/11/08/roland-martin-democrats-swept-election-victories-what-does-this-mean/

The Democratic Party kissed black butt and the Democratic Party won. Perez was knocking on doors in the Hampton Roads area. The threat to stay home worked.

Edit to add:

There are two issues, there were people activated to run for office.

There was also a push to get black voters out to vote.

From your Politico article

—Steve Phillips, a major donor to the Democratic Party who is also a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, said Northam should have talked more about the “most high-profile presidential-backed white supremacist march in this country,” and about affirmative action and criminal justice reform.

“If a majority of your voters are people of color, that should be your starting point,” said Phillips, noting a majority of the people who backed Hillary Clinton in 2016 in Virginia were black or Hispanic. “It’s an afterthought when it should be your first thought.”—

Also from the Politico article

—When BlackPAC first polled voters of color in the state in August, what it found concerned it. The percentage who said they were extremely likely to vote was in the high 60s, and Northam was trailing Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s 2013 performance among voters of color—-

If There was no outreach, many black voters would have stayed home resulting in disaster.

2nd Edit to add

Perez knew about the enthusiasm gap and began pouring resources into Virginia in July

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/national-democrats-are-jittery-about-va-governors-race/2017/10/22/22bec7ee-b5c9-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.8d76be9a49d9

Elaboration on above: Senate

artappraiser — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:01:06 +0000

In reply to The Catch-22 predicament for

Elaboration on above: Senate to delay corporate tax cut, breaking with Trump and House: report @ The Hill

The Catch-22 predicament for

artappraiser — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:50:59 +0000

In reply to Continetti is right to point

The Catch-22 predicament for the GOP as to tax bill and corporate tax cuts: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said GOP donors will quit giving to Republicans if Congress does not pass tax reform. I remember reading this previously elsewhere, corporate donors directly threatening: do what you promised us on taxes, or else.

Continetti is right to point

artappraiser — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:39:43 +0000

In reply to Well, FWIW, this other guy

Continetti is right to point out that the tax bill is trouble as regards this demographic that many in Congress now need to keep happy:

Election results set off a blame game among Republicans

The recriminations sparked by Democratic victories in this week’s elections threaten the fragile GOP push for tax cuts and raise deeper questions about Republican identity and fealty to a historically unpopular president.

@WaPo

yes and in his later long

artappraiser — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:32:41 +0000

In reply to Pls note Nate's talking about

yes and in his later long piece that I added below he certainly stresses that strongly, that you can't really tell with a year to go, that so many things could happen to turn things upside down, especially with this volatile presidency and Congress.

here's the just say no to

artappraiser — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 16:28:06 +0000

In reply to Well thru the fog I think

here's the just say no to culture wars warning again:

Some are skeptical of reading too much into one off-year election. And even Democrats have had heated disagreements over whether identity politics help the party or drive people away. But David Ramadan, a Republican who served in the Virginia General Assembly from 2012 to 2016 said the warning for his party was clear.

“Tuesday’s results show that unless the Republicans go back to being mainstream conservatives and run on issues like education, jobs and transportations instead of sanctuary cities and Confederate statues, they will hand not only Virginia to liberals, but they will hand the country to liberals and Congress to liberals next year,’’ Mr. Ramadan said.

from A Year After Trump, Women and Minorities Give Groundbreaking Wins to Democrats @ NYTimes.com.

I'd also like to point out how all the minority candidates cited in the article disproves the theme of how unless there is "outreach" from the Democratic party, "they" will stay home and not vote. "They" were already running for office long ago. Who got them to run, and who helped pay for their campaigns, I honestly don't know. I don't even know if they all ran on the Dem ticket. But the point is: they were no longer sitting and waiting and staying home and threatening not to vote, rather, they were active and running for office.

Back to the Times's quote: this is also where the immigration issue came in, what I remember reading is that Northam was stepping lightly around it. Looked it up, here on his website, they just spoke of it as regards the state and says he opposes things like Trump's "Muslim" ban for the state.Doesn't offer an opinion on national immigration policy, smart cookie--none of his business--and also shows how he addressed the main concerns of many het up about immigration, the use of welfare resources and assimilation:

One in 9 Virginians was born outside the United States. We’re a community of immigrants, and Ralph believes our strength lies in its diversity. As such, he opposes legislation that would bar individuals from entering the state based on race, religion, or country of origin—legislation like President Trump’s Muslim ban. Ralph supports the work of the Virginia Office of Newcomer Services, which helps immigrant and refugee communities gain economic self-sufficiency and social integration.

Edit to add: Granted that immigration policy is not always considered a "culture wars" issue, but this David Ramadan of the VA GOP obviously considers "sanctuary cities" to be one.