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Wolraich... what am I

oldenGoldenDecoy — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 06:05:40 +0000

In reply to I'm not sure I follow you. I

Wolraich... what am I describing here?

Some groups normally project an arrogant and defiant attitude in an attempt to intimidate others.

Their demands are a fundamental goal for respect and plays a role in their behaviors. To lose face, to get challenged, to be made fun of they think they lose respect.

An attack on an individual member is viewed as an attack on the entire group. The attack itself is a form of insult and the mentality is that no insult goes unanswered.

Belonging to a group requires members to help and back up their fellow group members.

Some groups have an identified person who is in charge. Members in these types of gangs follow the person in charge.

What's driven it for all these years?.My best guess? Perceived lack of belonging and the perception of no respect from others causing low or no self-esteem and abject disrespect for others not of their ilk.

Why has it gotten worse over the past few years? Wide spread ability to communicate online.

BTW... Those are the 5 basic behavioral traits of gang mentality.

Basic tribalism at it's most base.

~OGD~

Melville notes that evil

rmrd0000 — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 03:31:01 +0000

In reply to Evil is unspectacular and

Melville notes that evil confronted in one place, even when defeated, rears its head in another place. This does not mean that you do nothing. Progressives converse with Conservatives on a daily basis. Trump’s racism, insanity, and misogyny are addressed. There is no yelling, there is just a statement of facts. Many Conservatives will admit that they recognize the racism, misogyny, and insanity. These Conservatives still cannot break away from the tribe. When election time rolls around, you gleefully tell the Conservative that you are going to vote to cancel out his/her vote. You work and donate money to causes that interest you. There is no need to remain silent. If a person offers an opinion, you counter with yours.

Evil is unspectacular and

Flavius — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 02:36:06 +0000

In reply to Flav, evil has to be

Evil is unspectacular and always human,

And shares our bed and eats at our own table,

And we are introduced to Goodness every day,

Even in drawing rooms among a crowd of faults

He has a name like Billy and is almost perfect

But wears a stammer like a decoration:

And every time they meet the same thing has to happen;

It is Evil that is helpless like a lover

And has to pick a quarrel and succeeds,

And both are openly destroyed before our eyes

W.H.Auden from Herman Melville

doesn't respond to your comment but I was helpless like a lover and had to quote Auden.

Flav, evil has to be

rmrd0000 — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:35:59 +0000

In reply to Yes, but.

Flav, evil has to be confronted. Race and misogyny plays a major role in the era of Trump. We ignore that at our peril. The New York Times attempted to normalize a Nazi.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/ohio-hovater-white-nationalist.html?_r=0

Tge Atlantic had the perfect response to the article. The Atlantic pointed out that the NYT article was rubbish.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/a-nazi-cooks-pasta/546737/

The Little Rock Nine recently celebrated the 60th anniversary of the integration of Central High school. Brave people directed confronted evil. Bullies don’t back down without confrontation. Standing on the sidelines is not an option.

The only way to deal with

rmrd0000 — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:46:43 +0000

In reply to I'm less bothered by people

The only way to deal with hardcore Trump supporters is to energize the Democratic base to counter the votes cast by the Right. Psychologists are telling us that facts won’t work. People double down in their belief. They suggest that we try to identify with them and that somehow, empathy will get them to change their minds. There is no data that says this is a fact. Some looked for empathy from Ivanka. It was believed that Ivanka would help control daddy. We now know that Ivanka only avoided an indictment for lying about the occupancy rates at Trump Soho hotel because of. a lenient DA in NY. There are no Trumpsters that can be converted by reason.

I'm less bothered by people

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:02:00 +0000

In reply to Yes, but.

I'm less bothered by people with sincere beliefs than pseudo-religious opportunists who went from pro-contraception & family planning to anti- overnight or managed to spin pussy-grabbing and statutory rape into their bag of politicized acceptables. There is no reasoning with or satiating these people. Health care? Now it's for pussies. Real men just suck it up, like in the Greatest Generation (and leave women out of it - just a mask for immoral behavior by minorities on welfare). Education? Only for the elite. Like with zombies, you give them a kidney, they just want the other one.

No one is denying.them their

NCD — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 04:51:18 +0000

In reply to Yes, but.

No one is denying.them their beliefs, they are opposing them using the government to impose their fundamentalist beliefs on others.

ISIS terrorists, witch burners and even Nazis had sincere, deeply held beliefs, many were very intelligent. Sincerity and intelligence are not necessarily virtuous qualities.

The fact is blastocysts, fetuses or embryos are not people.

Since earliest recorded history women have sought abortions.

Seeking to legally deny women the control of their reproductive system is not just unfeeling, it's immoral.

You deal with them by stating

rmrd0000 — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 04:27:25 +0000

In reply to Yes, but.

You deal with them by stating that you disagree with their position. Harvard does not impress me. Trump nominate a 36-year old with no trial experience who graduated from Harvard Law. When 20% of black voters in Ohio voted for GW Bush because of homophobia. there was no hesitation in calling out the homophobia. Whites, especially those with supposed elite degrees are given benefits of doubt that are not applied to others. Even when whites vote for racists and bigots we try to find excuses for their behavior. We set a double standard.

White Southerners left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights Act. 20% of black voters supported GW because of homophobia. They were condemned. It looks like 17% of black males in Virginia cast votes for Ed Gillespie. Ridicule is appropriate.

Edit to add:

We are at a crossroads in the country. Rights are at risk. The folks who want to control women’s bodies and oppress minorities have to be confronted. Martin Luther King Jr. confronted people. Gloria Steinem confronted people.

The NYT tried to normalize a friggin’ Nazi sympathizer. We have to vocalize our disagreements with opposing positions. We have to be better than the NYT

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-times-nazi-next-door-profile_us_5a19f05ce4b0d4906caf1e8b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Yes, but.

Flavius — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 03:50:40 +0000

In reply to All part of the war on women.

Yes, but.

The insistence that women should not have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion is not just "all part of the war on women" it's also in many cases(not all of course ) the consequence of a sincerely held belief that the embryo is another human being and aborting it is murder.

At one point we lived in a third floor walk up,behind the Divinity School ( Harvard's) and our neighbors included brilliant, very liberal on every other issue ,graduate students whom today I see quoted on this issue. When W was trying to frame a position on stem cell research he consulted one of them.

I certainly don't know the right way to deal with them. I'm sure however that among the various wrong ways is to think they are unfeeling, insincere or just not as smart as us. None of which is true. Sadly the truth is that they deeply believe the harmful positions they hold.

All part of the war on women.

rmrd0000 — Sat, 25 Nov 2017 20:14:24 +0000

In reply to Making millions of women hunt

All part of the war on women.