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The doppelganger idea is

moat — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 03:50:41 +0000

In reply to Good catch, moat, and cause

The doppelganger idea is interesting. I will have to mull upon that.
Spinoza's separation of the despised quality from the person hated doesn't try to sort out what is good or bad but focuses on how the one who despises becomes attached to what they try to get rid of. Nietzsche observed something similar when he said that identifying an enemy as important enough to fight against elevates them and binds you to them.
So the contradiction involved is blatant in the case of trolls but not absent in other arguments. I regret many of my campaigns to make someone cry uncle. What prize did I expect to receive?

Why are people so reluctant

rmrd0000 — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 04:31:30 +0000

In reply to Maybe Bernie doesn't get it

Why are people so reluctant to accept the truth?

Maybe Bernie doesn't get it

NCD — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 03:58:20 +0000

In reply to A Sisyphean Task for Bernie Sanders?

Maybe Bernie doesn't get it on his anti-GOP/plutocrat money grab tour of red states?

From "Maybe Trump knows his base better than we do."

...Is it that the Republican Party is cleverly and successfully hoodwinking its supporters, promising them populism and enacting plutocratic capitalism instead? This view has been a staple of liberal analysis for years, most prominently in Thomas Frank’s book “What’s the Matter with Kansas?” Frank argued that Republicans have been able to work this magic trick by dangling social issues in front of working-class voters, who fall for the bait and lose sight of the fact that they are voting against their own interests. Both Wolf and Pierson believe that this trickery will prove dangerous for Republicans. “The plutocrats are riding on a hungry tiger,” writes Wolf.

But what if people are not being fooled at all? What if people are actually motivated far more deeply by issues surrounding religion, race and culture than they are by economics?

Top comment:

Of course, it's racism, xenophobia, and cultural bigotry that motivate Trump's base. That's not just something that I feel intuitively. Poll after poll verifies it.

Trump ran as the avatar of bigots and haters. Look at his acceptance speech. Look at his inaugural address. He didn't hide it. His message was utterly clear: "you people have enemies. They are the blacks, other minorities, immigrants, Muslims, liberals, college professors, and gays. Of all politicians in this country I, and I alone recognize these threats. And, I, and I alone can protect you." That's a paraphrase but not much of one.

For tens of millions of Americans Trump is the man on the white horse. They perceive him as kicking their enemies in the teeth. For that they will forgive any sin. It doesn't matter to them that Trump is a serial sexual harasser, that he is vulgar, coarse, and filled with inchoate rage. His rage mirrors theirs. That's why Trump's standing in the polls never varies, no matter what he says or does (or doesn't do).

That's why I've been saying ever since the election that attempting to build bridges to these Trump supporters is an utter waste of time. The bad news is that 38 percent of the public is sticking with him through thick and thin. The good news is that over half the public detests him. Those who oppose Trump need to build coalitions with that majority. In elections to come they need to totally crush Trump and his supporters, not reason with them.

Hahaha ..Peter you're "I'm

NCD — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 02:38:14 +0000

In reply to Thank you Commissar PP you

Hahaha ..Peter you're "I'm the only one who counts" Dear Leader who consorts with real Communist KGB killers, publicly bragged in very Stalinesque fashion about shooting someone on 5th avenue, laundered money from Putin's Commie plutocrat buddies through Trump properties, of course hiding his tax returns, who tells the DOJ which of his enemies to investigate or lock up, who attacks the free press, seeks to purge elected members of his own Party, insists cabinet members must eulogize him at meetings, top staff turnover is extreme tries to hire only fawning sycophantic toadies, tells lies daily, attacks our allies like Britain while coddling dictators, threatens to annihilate nations, and in the style of Stalin or Hitler relishes the worship of fools and suckers at Adoration Rallies, who are, like you, thoroughly taken in by his con, and indoctrinated in his Cult of Personality....he is an authoritarian, an Amerkanski Stalin.

Good catch, moat, and cause

artappraiser — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 00:43:27 +0000

In reply to Spinoza has got this one

Good catch, moat, and cause to reflect that trolls have been with us since at least the 17th century. Also the quote makes me think of how such pleasure is a doppleganger for aesthetics. Instead of trying to find and select out "good, better, best" as explained in Albert Sack's classic book on American antique collecting, the troll gets joy out of eliciting what he/she thinks is "bad, worse, worst". In this case: oh, the excitement when a true commie or snowflake is prodded to present him or herself?

Exactly what point from your

ocean-kat — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:50:57 +0000

In reply to Thank you Commissar PP you

Exactly what point from your post did you want to discuss? Did you want to discuss whether or not my view of the constitution was "retarded?" Did you want to talk about whether it was the same view held by "commies?" Did you want to debate whether those living on the coast are "weirdo Stalinists?" Did you want to discuss whether we are "snowflakes" or if we are "sputtering like a Prius running out of gas?"

What point in your post is open to meaningful discussion or serious debate? It looks like nothing but insults to me. That's the only thing you bring to dagblog.

Spinoza has got this one

moat — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:43:06 +0000

In reply to Just once I'd like to have an

Spinoza has got this one covered:

"Derision is pleasure arising from our conceiving the presence of a quality, which we despise, in an object which we hate.
Explanation: In so far as we despise a thing which we hate, we deny existence thereof, and to that extent rejoice. But since we assume that man hates that which he derides, it follows that the pleasure in question is not without alloy"

Komissar? Afraid that's your

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:21:00 +0000

In reply to Thank you Commissar PP you

Komissar? Afraid that's your side of the street. No, an open enemy is not a traitor per se.

https://g.co/kgs/6dpti8

Thank you Commissar PP you

Peter — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:17:15 +0000

In reply to Too cute by half. Just call

Thank you Commissar PP you show clearly that snowflakes have no real interest in discussion. A few sharp words aimed at the Party and the knives come out to silence the 'traitor'. I've never been an enabler of the globalist NWO or the democrat party and an open enemy is not a traitor.

Too cute by half. Just call

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 05:52:00 +0000

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Too cute by half. Just call him asshole so the point gets across - otherwise people think he's a grownup in the room rather than a compromised traitor.