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Weinstein appears to be a

Flavius — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 03:45:26 +0000

In reply to What strikes me right away by

Weinstein appears to be a very special case .Listening yesterday to an interview with an experienced male director who'd made films for many producers. The one he made with Weinstein stands out by a wide margin not only as by far the most difficult film experience of his career,but as his most difficult experience, full stop.

Didn't explain . Sadism ? But towards a powerful collaborator and towards an unwilling sex partner? Clearly he is unrelenting at getting what he wants

Just to put the turkey on the table I'll state there are gradations of female behavior and self awareness. (And male of course.)Towards one end of the spectrum : Monica Lewinsky-who behaved admirably in the aftermath- was explicit that she was maneuvering to encourage some response from Bill Clinton .As I recall arranging her skirt so that in some way her underwear would create a line.

And an infinite number of variations in behavior on either side which I have no qualifications to discuss.

Garrison Keillor's explanation -a friend had some bad news and meaning to pat her back inadvertently touched bare flesh-seemed plausible to me.

Endless subject so I'll end.

edited to insert "end" in front of "of the spectrum"

So far I haven't seen any

ocean-kat — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 22:46:24 +0000

In reply to Weinstein appears to be a

So far I haven't seen any details about the accusations against Keillor. Not the number of accusations or what they are. Only his claim over why he was fired. His explanation doesn't seem plausible because it doesn't seem likely he'd be fired over such a trivial offense that could easily be accidental. Either there's more to the story, more stories, or his firing was a grave injustice.

What strikes me right away by

artappraiser — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 19:06:45 +0000

In reply to So O'Reilly will never be

What strikes me right away by the examples you've chosen: live by the prevailing societal consciousness, die by it. A requirement for the jobs of those like O'Reilly, Lauer and the one Moore is applying for is that they are popular with their public.So I have no sympathy.

The situation of like Weinstein is a somewhat different case. But even there, a producer depends upon schmoozing and goodwill within the "film community." In the olden days, the ":casting couch" was generally accepted as a fact; nowadays consciousness has been raised about feminism in that community. Sooner or later the rumor mill would get him if he kept playing like it wouldn't. Only because women have made enough advances for there to be a few with power. What's kind of amazing about his case is how women with power waited to say "me too" until women with lesser power came out. And they are now ashamed that they didn't react sooner. "Hollywood" is ashamed of itself, and in the end: that's a good thing. The "casting couch" will be even less acceptable than before. It's a gradual process, culture change.

Overall, in the end, though, we've got issues in western civilization on this that are far from resolved. That struck me when I ran across this Market Watch article: Here’s one thing British princes and American men have in common which in itself is mostly bogus simplistic statement about evolving-or-not female roles and status in our societies, citing a poll or two that doesn't get at the complexities. But this quote that they chose for a blurb struck me as very eloquently getting at the whole problem:

‘Oh, how fragile is the ego of a man. We must never let him feel like a bonsai in a grove of California redwoods — no, he must always see himself as a towering tree, magnificent in comparison with his female partner.’

Julia Baird in Glamour Magazine

Too many of all sexes haven't let go of this yet. It's even deep in a lot of the sexual fantasies both female and male. Lots of porn encourages it. Feminist boomers raising kids hasn't gotten rid of it. Kids in like Japan go asexual rather than deal with it. Is not going away soon, and until it does, workplaces are not going to have true equality. I have some confidence, though, that the human brain can eventually evolve to have different male/female roles than most animals that reproduce using two sexes. After all, their are examples of species that haven't evolved to use two sexes...

Let's go back to: the work world is going to change radically in two decades. That's the big picture I think we should keep in mind. Life as the western world knows it to be turned upside down.

We're all walk-ons in

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 15:48:13 +0000

In reply to Well actually Peracles was

We're all walk-ons in somebody else's play. We just don't often notice or acknowledge it.

Of course you're right. But

Flavius — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 14:53:50 +0000

In reply to So there are self-assured

Of course you're right. But the solution is not vigilante justice by corporate America.

It's a crime and it should be treated as a crime. Somehow.

There should be a better procedure than just showing up at the station house to complain to Officer Krupke

Well actually Peracles was

Flavius — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 14:43:24 +0000

In reply to I think you're missing the

Well actually Peracles was right. I was too vague. The "self assured " woman was clearly the one in charge, I thought at the time that they were from an ad agency but who knows? The intense discussion before her appearance was to insure some one was ready to "volunteer" to go with her. Implying that an appearance of reluctance would not have been a good idea.

The actual volunteer did a good job of appearing to welcome the assignment. Maybe he did.

Seems like a movie script of course but so be it.

I think you're missing the

ocean-kat — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 06:27:24 +0000

In reply to So there are self-assured

I think you're missing the point. I'm sure the point Flavius was making is that a woman can provoke a knock down drag out fight between two men with just seven words.

So there are self-assured

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 04:19:06 +0000

In reply to Wrong.

So there are self-assured wonen who like to fuck. There are also a shit-ton of women raped and harassed on the job and abused in the home, etc, etc. I'm pretty sure the latter greatly outweigh the former, and of course keep many women from ever becoming self-assured.

Wrong.

Flavius — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 03:00:05 +0000

In reply to You're aware that 90% of

Wrong.

.000000001% are "settled" outside of court; 99.99999998 are never raised .

I'm reminded of an evening at an NY Hotel bar , a tense conversation underway between some of the drinkers , until an attractive and very self assured woman appeared and said " so who's going up with me tonight? "

spelling corrected

You're aware that 90% of

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 21:17:38 +0000

In reply to I agree. It's unimaginable

You're aware that 90% of cases are settled outside of court, right? Perry Mason was just a TV show.